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Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by AbsenteeLandlady123, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    like this would imply, by analogy, that the writers think the core tenant of Judaism is 'Jesus Christ wasn't who he said he was.' Which is an extremely Christian-centric view of a religion millennia older than, y'know, Christ.
     
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  2. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Would it then be instead that they don't believe Signless was the one to solve the hemospectrum issue but that they should be working towards fixing it themselves? I don't know any Jewish people in real life and our school system's coverage of what it is was pretty superficial so I'm not the person to be digging into it in detail. Since trolls don't have anything resembling human racial heritage because of the way their reproduction works and any real interest in gods as such only seems to be a thing for the clown cult, something to do with the social order is the most likely candidate for what it's about.
     
  3. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Come to think of it, have we been assuming wrongly that things would happen in the same order as they did in human history?
     
  4. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    Pretty much any description that puts a Jesus figure or lack thereof at the center of things would be missing the point, basically.
     
  5. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Not saying he would be at the centre of things either way. Just saying, like, they think the hemospectrum should be abolished or rearranged or something and are working for it but are not using Signless as part of it? Quite probably they have their own folkloric figures and we may find out about them? I can't think of anything it could be about that's not the hemospectrum, that's the main focus of troll lives and as I said human concepts of race or religion don't seem to apply.
     
  6. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Something horrifying someone pointed out on Tumblr. The dumpsters in Alternia are noted in Polypa's route to incinerate their contents. This isn't just high-tech. It means that homeless trolls can't get food, and that's certainly intentional.
     
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  7. Saro

    Saro Where is wizard hut

    Or, possibly, a measure to discourage the extremely dangerous fauna from entering places where people live in large volumes by destroying stuff that would otherwise attract them.
     
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  8. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    I'm a lot more inclined to think the intention is to stop homeless trolls being fed. Everything else in their society is set up to kill off the outcasts.
     
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  9. chaoticArbiter

    chaoticArbiter an actual shiny eevee (destroyer of worlds)

    I like him, as a character, I think he's interesting and...kind of more chill than most other higher-castes we've met.
    but I've also seen people calling him a revolutionary and desiring change and stuff and praising the character for that and it's honestly bugging me a bit because I don't think he's a shining example of any of that. Tyzias is a mid-caste and she's more invested than him in change, from what we know. like, don't get me wrong, I think it's cool Mallek realizes that the treatment of lowbloods is fucked up and they don't deserve it, but there's a big difference between that and "actively trying to make a change". and if you ask me, Mallek is still guilty of undervaluing lowbloods, because his "I gotta worry about me, not their rights" attitude reminds me a hell of a lot of people IRL who are part of a privileged group and...don't want to get into helping the underprivileged group fight for their rights because what about the harm that might cause THEM? never mind that the underprivileged group has no choice in fighting back because they can either try or they can be hurt anyway simply because shit sucks for them in their society. like, Mallek's a far cry from any sort of actual change, imho. he doesn't even seem to actively SUPPORT change, just basically that he wouldn't OBJECT to it. even though he's mid-caste he's still pretty high up there, which affords him SOME amount of power, but he isn't using it for actual change because he doesn't HAVE to, he can get by relatively okay doing nothing. like, yes, props to him for hiring Diemen and giving him and another lowblood actual stuff for doing something for him, and even offering Diemen a place to stay, and not being a total dick and recognizing things are fucked up, but he's not a revolutionary and disagreeing with a system isn't the same as actively trying to make change or even actively WANTING change. and it sorta feels like his wanting to control the drones is more about HIM than anything else.
    like, idk. I like Mallek, but the overall response to him has REALLY been bugging me.
     
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  10. chaoticArbiter

    chaoticArbiter an actual shiny eevee (destroyer of worlds)

    I found his comment about "I'm not psychic so no one will be making me a battery"...interesting, because it implies psychics who aren't gold might end up used as ship batteries? and now I'm wondering what the qualifications are. do you have to be a certain type of psychic, and if yes, can non-golds be that and it's just less common? or can literally any psychic be used as a battery in a pinch, but golds are preferred for some reason, so golds with psionics are typically the batteries and as long as they're relatively abundant other blood colors/pyschic types are mostly left alone?

    it was...also interesting to me that being mid-caste is suggested to present its own difficulties--namely, if you learn an illegal skill as a higblood you will probably get away with it, and lowbloods MIGHT get away with it in the right circumstances, but mid-castes are apparently nearly never going to get away with things like that. I have to wonder if it might be a bit because mid-castes are more powerful than lowbloods and long-lived enough to maybe fuck up some shit if they were so inclined, meaning that any who do anything illegal that could IMPLY anti-empire feelings are supposed to be culled immediately, because discontented mid-castes get read as more potentially dangerous than discontented lowbloods, who are, as far as we know, physically weak, likely to be ill-supplied or prepared for revolution, and short-lived. like...midbloods/mid-castes are like, olive to cerulean, I'd say, or thereabouts, if we include lime as "currently extinct, but would have fallen into the position of 'last color of low-caste'". they're mostly of middling physical strength and lifespan, they have access to enough that they might be able to make themselves a real problem after a bit, they're usually meant for decently important positions in troll hierarchy, and some even still have psychic powers, and yet they're also not at the top of the food chain, so they probably have reasons to dislike the system themselves, especially if they started really talking to lowbloods or seeing them as worthwhile people or something. I can see why anti-establishment or even suspected anti-establishment mid-castes might be "cull with the MOST extreme prejudice." but it's interesting and not a thing I ever really thought about before. but it would also make it so much more important for mid-caste and up to be taught to look down on lowbloods and be like "thank god we have it better than THEM"--otherwise they might start SYMPATHIZING and wanting to CHANGE things, and mid-castes might be equipped and long-lived enough to be problematic, and high-castes CERTAINLY would be. if I had to guess, highbloods are probably viewed as consistently removed enough from lowbloods to not be at risk of really sympathizing with them, and also probably have it about as good as you can get it on Alternia--but mid-castes could have reason to be discontented and are, imo, not always quite as removed from lowbloods and their lives and situations as, say, a purpleblood would be. so not only could a mid-caste be a possible real threat if they were rebellious, but they also have actual reason to be more readily suspected than a highblood. they're probably viewed as dangerous in ways lowbloods can't be but also in ways HIGHBLOODS can't be.

    ....eta: also, Mindfang. it's only kids on the planet now, which means Mindfang and Sufferer's rebellion has already happened. they already have precedent to suspect mid-castes of being susceptible to rebellious notions, and Mindfang was a cerulean with psionic powers. she was long-lived enough that she could've posed a problem, imho, and just IMAGINE if she'd gotten her start in childhood! all those years she could've spent learning ways to campaign against the empire! jeez.
     
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  11. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    That would also explain why ceruleans keep getting lusii which have to live on troll flesh - I suspect that they're intentionally bred for the purpose, in order to make sure the ceruleans see lowbloods as prey... Does Mallek's snake eat trolls? It's implied it doesn't, as he says it won't hurt the PC and it's apparently not very big.
     
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  12. Birdy

    Birdy so long

    i bet it does eat trolls since it's almost certainly a python
     
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  13. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Until confirmed otherwise, I'm calling A. Claire Acrophelia.
     
  14. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

  15. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Okay, A. Claire's corpse not being in the house has been pointed to as evidence that the body was never found or she didn't really die. If Pa was transporting the corpse around with him, Joey would have mentioned that as another reason to hate him, right? Right? <:(
     
  16. Probably yeah. Also- what about the taxidermy tradition?
     
  17. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    That's what I mean. If Pa had stuffed the corpse we would probably know.

    Didn't expect Boldir in this week's sim. Wish I could watch a livestream but I wrecked my only sound playing computing device :(
     
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  18. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Okay, got access to a computer again, and SOMETHING is going on with Boldir.
     
  19. chaoticArbiter

    chaoticArbiter an actual shiny eevee (destroyer of worlds)

    hi I love Boldir and also Stelsa
    that Stelsa will come around to Tyzias's way of thinking? but. yeah.
    also I saw someone suggest that the reason Boldir seems to emulate other aspects--like a Void-y sort of feeling with the whole, complete calm, zen, not being noticed--might be because Heart is about the Self and like, both your true self and the ability to hide your self or emulate others' selves, or the different pieces of a self that make a whole self, so maybe the Heartbound can emulate other aspects, either intentionally (trying to hide their true selves via acting or being like another self/aspect), or unintentionally, by just having pieces of their self that match more closely to another aspect and those coming out more strongly at times, or something like that.
    .....also I'mma be real
    did not enjoy seeing Ardata again.
     
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  20. PotteryWalrus

    PotteryWalrus halfway hideous and halfway sweet

    Just bobbing in to ask if anyone has any good Friendsim fix recs? I went through pt8-11 tonight and I'm extremely in love with Chahut (and her horns bigger than my legs) and topless Mallek (with all his piercings, I really really want to pinch his grubscars and make him squeak).

    A decent cerulean
    ! Who knew, right?
     
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