Okay, so, time for a story. Back in the day, in Rift, there was one user on my shard whom everyone knew, and nearly everyone hated. It was Ibby. Ibby just spent all her time in chat yelling obscenities at people. She made no fucking sense. She'd get stuck on words or phrases, repeating them a lot. She'd argue with empty space. We think some of it was not understanding how the chat system worked, but a big part of it was schizophrenia. (I talked to people who knew her IRL.) So, basically, any time she was on, you got 4-6 hours of constant obscenities, incoherent threats, and so on. So, problem user. I spent a lot of time trying to convinced them to ban her. Anyway, one night, it was quiet, someone asked a question in chat, and Ibby responded helpfully. People chatted. Ibby was cool. ... I was sort of surprised. So, after a while, I found out: One of the regular relatively-stupid trolls, not really especially mean, just a dumbass, had a huge crush on her and stalked her obsessively. We all thought he was joking, but so far as I can tell, he was completely serious and thought they were fated to be together and stuff. And whenever he was around, or people talked about him, she lost her shit entirely. Now, that doesn't mean her behavior was okay. It was horrible. Death threats, homophobic slurs, whatever other slurs, and so on. But it happened when people poked her. And they kept poking her. Heck, some of them did it because they enjoyed getting a response. So, for an MMO, the solution is that eventually Ibby did get banned, because she couldn't self-regulate, and she made the game unfun for a lot of paying customers. But this is not an MMO. Here, I'm interested in trying to help people get better, and that means that I am not gonna kick out the Cluster B folks for being symptomatic. I'm gonna try to find ways to use moderation and tools to mitigate their symptoms, and I know that's not always gonna work, and it's gonna be a long slog and involve a fair bit of pain. But I also know that it actually produces incredible improvements over time. What I am not okay with is the bear-baiting. If you know perfectly fucking well that someone has roughly zero emotional regulation, and you poke them until they explode, and then point to the explosion and say "AH-HAH THEY ARE THE BAD ONE", I am not gonna buy it. If you have a problem with them, put them on ignore. If you insist on following them around and interacting with them and saying horrible toxic shit to them, you are actually more of a problem than they are. And unless you're also rockin' a severe cluster B personality disorder, you could stop. I saw someone say, on this very forum, that it is impossible for another person to do anything but hurt people. Not even "you can't stop hurting people", but "you can't do anything but hurt people". And advocate for them being forcibly institutionalized, when shitty institutions are where the trauma came from. I saw that, and you want me to think that someone's unambiguously symptomatic cluster B flameouts are the big problem, and the systematic mistreatment of that person to get reactions out of them is not the big problem? Fuck no.