I suggested moderator philosophy and the stuff that drives moderator action be its own section when the ideas for new foundation texts were still a much-argued-over google document. It has since been weeks, and I haven't had to resort to toast once. Step up your game, Rigs. :p
Spoiler: You can get results much better by trying to identify the communications gap and explain it rather than yelling. All the discussion of casuistry and such was a distraction from the thing that was actually missing, which isn't "a system of rules for user posting" but "a discussion of what moderators are doing". If someone clever who understands these distinctions had, say, pointed that out 21 hours ago, this would have likely been a much shorter thread. There's a weird contradiction in how I engage with questions. I nearly always focus only on the questions I'm being asked... But I tend to abstract them a bit. So if someone asks me about a specific situation, I'll likely respond with general patterns for that-or-related situations. But! I won't stop to think "but is this question even the right thing" for a while. So from my point of view, the summary of why mods do things is the opposite of an answer to the question I was being asked; it's an explanation for why that question can't be answered.
I have to use Google Docs when dealing with my debaters and I fucking hate it more than burnt toast. So I didn't look at it much.
Natural human reasoning isn't usually a straight-line process. We meander and dance and sing and do all manner of other fun and interesting things on the way to doxastic consensus.
i'm doing poorly enough that i probably wouldn't have survived whatever the original post was had iseen it
I saw a couple of your posts, you doing okay? And yes, I saw that there was a response that looked to me like mockery, and I'm not okay with that but I'm also not sure how to respond.
Because the end-point was not clear at the beginning of the process. Because the process itself can be fun for some of us. Because I like to explore unstated assumptions. Because I like to give authority a hard time. Because asymmetric conflict is my jam, homie. Because it gave me a chance to continue the toaster running gag.
... Okay, fair enough. FWIW, the thing where people present it as a Problem With Seebs that it takes a while to hash things out is a sore point.
Yeah. I'd just appreciate it if you'd keep the snark less pointed at things I'm actually annoyed about, because I make worse decisions then.
Please don't dominate the rap Jack if you got nothing new to say If you please don't back up the track This train got to run today Spent a little time on the mountain Spent a little time on the hill Heard some say better run away Others say you better stand still Now I don't know but I been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold Other hand I heard it said it's just as hard with the weight of lead Who can deny? Who can deny? it's not just a change in style One step done and another begun in I wonder how many miles? Spent a little time on the mountain Spent a little time on the hill Things went down we don't understand but I think in time we will Now I don't know but I been told in the heat of the sun a man died of cold Do we keep on coming or stand and wait with the sun so dark and the hour so late? You can't overlook the lack Jack of any other highway to ride It's got no signs or dividing lines and very few rules to guide Spent a little time on the mountain Spent a little time on the hill I saw things getting out of hand I guess they always will I don't know but I been told if the horse don't pull you got to carry the load I don't know whose back's that strong Maybe find out before too long One way or another One way or another One way or another this darkness got to give One way or another One way or another One way or another this darkness got to give
... i can't tell whether you read my rant about this on tumblr or are just having the same parsing error. The canonical-form lyrics omit the commas before "Jack" in two places.
Since a lot of folks respond to moderator action by thinking they've Done A Bad, or folks are afraid to post much bc they might do a bad and hurt someone or get scolded, that seems like a really valuable addition to the welcome info.
Sorry to cut in late, I was pretty nervous about saying a thing here, but since no one has brought it up I'll go ahead and say the thing: You (moderators) emphasise that 'this is not a safe space' in your guidelines. I, a generally-allistic person who has now been immersed in your culture for a while, can now understand this to mean 'we can't keep everyone safe even though we try'. But! 'This Is Not A Safe Space' has a specific meaning, in the wider internet, and when I first came here I thought this is what you meant too - in other places, 'this is not a safe space' means 'I don't really care about your feelings, I'm going to say things anyway, cry more'. I can absolutely see how someone would read those guidelines, see that line, and think, 'oh, okay, spoilering is optional'. Because spoilering and tagging text - or splatting it, in the before-times - has long been the domain of the triggered. That's exactly the opposite demographic of the sort of people who say 'this isn't a safe space', generally. 'This is not a safe space' is associated with people who say things without warning labels, because they're Not Obligated To Cater To Your Feelings. Which is a valid community loadout, but not what you're actually going for. And, like, this is something I had trouble with even though I'm allistic. I can imagine it would be even harder for someone who's autistic, has already learned that Social Rule, and then comes here and the Social Rule means... basically the opposite of what they've learned! I think that being explicit about trigger warnings being expected in some places will help, but you might want to consider disclaiming your safe space language to get across your intent better. (Sorry for bringing up a relatively unrelated point, it just... seems like the sort of thing that might be tripping people up.)
"We do not guarantee that this is a safe space. We do, however, ask that you to pick up bicycle horns and land mines when you can, and we may intervene to pick them up as we become aware of them" ?
Damn, that is a really good point, and I think you're right and I need to rework that part of the guidelines. I'm gonna need more time to think about it, but it's a really good insight. Thanks.