What do w/ people under 18 posting in nsfw threads?

Discussion in 'The Undercity' started by BlackholeKG, Jun 8, 2016.

  1. Ouija

    Ouija Nani the fuck?

    Hence the suggestion of having a subforum strictly for explicit nsfw. Minors can and do ask about innocent nsfw (sex ed. as an example) that Jesse both covered and I agreed should be their right to ask, but smut rp, kink sharing thread, etc. would do best to be under a curtain for legal reasons.

    It's not trying to shut minors out but rather covering the bases of "we warned people this, it's out of our hands if they disobey."

    It's the same effectiveness that alcohol/cigarette sites have with the "are you 18" confirmation page.
     
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  2. BlackholeKG

    BlackholeKG I saw you making fire

    I already know that I've accidentally interacted with people under 18 in the nsfw threads without realising it, I'm going to be honest that this has me fairly worried at the moment, it's the sort of thing that I'm liable to get anxious about. Of course we can't change the past but we can try to make sure it doesn't happen again in the future.

    I agree about DDDNE
     
  3. Imoyram

    Imoyram Well-Known Member

    If do not enter if under 18 works legally for sites that sell stuff, should'nt it work for forum too?

    i dont think im helping this discussion much :|
     
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  4. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    I hope it would, otherwise that's a bizarre and absurd-sounding difference of standards to hold commercial vs personal sites to.
     
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  5. TheMockingCrows

    TheMockingCrows Resident POTSie potato.

    I'm wondering if there's any way to tag someone who's underage so at least people can go "hey, wait, kiddo does not belong here, scoot with you" because one of my threads was mentioned and I'm sitting here going o_o????? and very confused. Brain fog is not helping. the thread itself is tagged as over 18 but I also don't know the folks who shouldn't be in there at all and am prone to forgetting, so that's making me a bit anxious ahh...

    eta: there's over a thousand accounts on this forum and I don't want to have to keep the info roll open every time I speak around someone, assuming they even signed up to it/listed an age/etc.
     
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  6. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    Which of the below responsibilities sounds more feasible to actually enact:

    - It is the responsibility of the person under 18 to not enter or participate in the thread

    - It is the responsibility of the participants in the thread to shoo out someone under 18

    - It is the responsibility of the forum admins to police everyone's age and mark their profiles in some way to indicate this.


    If the thread's title says NSFW/18+, and somebody goes in and participates without letting anyone know that doing so means the other participants are unknowingly breaking the law in their locales... then that's not cool.
     
  7. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    I err towards the first one. While it's definitely our responsibility to shoo out the kids if the kids don't listen the kids should be listening. It is their responsibility first and foremost.
     
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  8. BlackholeKG

    BlackholeKG I saw you making fire

    afaik this is absolutely the case. If an adult interacts with a minor in a sexual context then in every case I've heard of where it's illegal for that to happen, the adult is at fault, even if they are unaware of the minor's age, in the eyes of the law. This is also supposed to be true in cases of deception, I think? Which seems super unfair, but the responsibility for making sure that somebody is of age lies with the adult.

    (Again, not a lawyer, just trying to remember the upshot of some research I did wrt to the law and smut rp a few years back)

    Fact is there is no perfect system to keep minors out if they're really determined to be deceptive (same goes for irl), but if we know that somebody is under 18 and posts in a thread then at least we can definitely do something to stop that happening, preferably by telling them not to and having them just... not do that, but.
     
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  9. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    Acknowledgement of "guys, please don't do the thing, there are Scary Legal Reasons" in the original post might be a good reminder/asscoverage thing to do with nsfw threads.
     
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  10. BlackholeKG

    BlackholeKG I saw you making fire

    I had a lot of trouble a few years back when I realized that there was no way I could be infallibly sure that the people I was roleplaying smut with on msparp etc were indeed over 18 (even when I asked and stressed the importance of it every time). I had a lot of anxiety over that uncertainty for a long while, until I eventually managed to convince myself that in most cases, when I asked, people were most likely to be telling the truth about their age, and I just had to accept that there is always a risk in sexual interactions of any sort. But I think we should definitely take what precautions that we are able to take, to minimize the chances of anything bad happening.
     
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  11. BlackholeKG

    BlackholeKG I saw you making fire

    Although, actually, that said, if somebody lies about their age in order to initiate a sexual interaction with me, doesn't that mean that they've lied about the circumstances of that interaction in order to initiate it and are thus violating my consent?

    I have no idea how the law would handle that. But it's off topic anyway so I digress.

    Edit: Some googling reveals that, in most cases, the adult (e.g. me) would still be liable, which in some ways seems kinda unfair, but I suppose it's best in nearly all cases to place the onus on the adult.
     
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  12. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    I think the topic is "due to reasons of potential legal problems and/or personal discomfort with the possibility of interacting with people under 18 in nsfw threads, what are good methods of telling people to get out"...?

    The possibility that they might get in trouble for doing so is an extra method of getting them out.
     
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  13. jacktrash

    jacktrash spherical sockbox

    well, i can tell you right now, we're not going to be tagging people's profiles or playing hall monitor in an active way. that is really not how we roll.

    as for asking underage people to leave an adult thread, you don't need my permission to do that! in fact, i think i would be ok with giving a subforum ban to a minor who insisted on posting in 18+ threads after being asked not to. but i really don't want to take on the responsibility of Protecting The Children From Grownup Words. i'm not qualified, honestly. i couldn't remotely promise to be on the ball about that.
     
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  14. Wiwaxia

    Wiwaxia problematic taxon

    i'd think honor system plus shooting people a "hey can you please not" when you see it happen should do, yeah, unless there's other Law Stuff involved and that's probably best left to the actual lawyers if it is a factor. no need to jump the gun with invisible subforums and whatnot.
     
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  15. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    I would like a NSFW RP forum eventually because it would give me somewhere relevant to put me and UA's planning. It's Galley's Turn isn't an option for me, since I don't want search bots crawling all over it. Top Serket's the best place I could think of. But making it super secret is a little more security than we currently know to be necessary.
     
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  16. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    I have to say I'm entirely fine with and interested in a NSFW rp forum.
     
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  17. BlackholeKG

    BlackholeKG I saw you making fire

    Yes, it's the sort of thing that it makes sense for have as a separate area anyway.

    Gives people the opportunity to run self-indulgent pwp roleplays and have them in a separate place from many of the longer form, more serious rps... Although if any of those are nsfw, would they have to go in there as well? Hmm.
     
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  18. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    I don't want it just for non-serious rps. Porn can be exceptionally serious. I am in fact a deadly serious man with my porn even when it's silly. Longer form rps may or may not include explicit sex and if they do they would end up in this hypothetical forum. It's actually why I want that sort of board so these sorts of things can run free.
     
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  19. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    Weirdmaggedon Tango's keeping to PG-13 standards in terms of sex, last I knew. Fade to black when things get explicit. A few of us tossed around the idea of maybe having a side thread for more explicit stuff, but haven't gone through with it as yet. It might be awkward having a side thread be in a different forum... but, you know, shit happens. It'd be less awkward than keeping it in the same forum.
     
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  20. BlackholeKG

    BlackholeKG I saw you making fire

    Yes, I entirely agree that this makes sense and is a good idea.
     
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