About Chel

Hello, Chel and Dolly. If you're worried about "callout posts," I would suggest that instead of obsessing over a vent thread from someone working through her complicated feelings from her history with you, you might perhaps want to take a look at the 20,000 word breakdown with quotes, archive.org links, and screencaps that's been posted in TCHGB for most of a year. I had to split it into 12 posts because I kept hitting the character limit. It's viewable logged-in at this link, though Chel will likely have to hit the "Show Ignored Content" link towards the bottom of the page.

Or, if you just want to pick a fight, trust me when I say that I would love to oblige.

 

Also, with pearl and ruby glowing wparg water of the womb blood of the covenant pieces of the past (god there are so many of these side stories) ChelG chelonianmobile Dolly. Just in case you wanted some more SEO to help you out in your cyberstalking!

 

Dear Chel and Dolly,

You know, Dolly, I used to feel sorry for you. I really did. But honestly, you're just a fucking coward who goes along with everything that Chel does because you have no identity of your own. How does it feel, I wonder, sucking up to a mediocre white person who calls you racial slurs and treats you like trash? How does it feel sucking up to someone who fucking forcibly revealed your trauma to Sparkles under the guise of trying to make him look like the bad guy? Honestly, Dolly, you're just a fucking pick-me girl; it's embarrassing. And Chel's just a fucking child who never grew the fuck up. Honestly, you should be granted with restraining orders, all of you. And I don't think you should ever, ever talk about being against harassing women on the Internet given that you won't stop harassing me. I mean, I know that you hate your mother, Dolly (and believe me, I understand why), and I know that Chel pretty much hates the girls who picked on them at school (and believe me, I understand why), but that's no excuse to hate on women, especially given that you harass women and hate them whenever they just stop trying to do what you want. Just...I swear to God that when you both die, I'm going to do a tap dance on your corpses. And trust me, I'll enjoy it.

 

Well, thank you, whoever ranked my post "winner". I feel slightly guilty regarding some of the things I said in that post, admittedly, but Dolly...it feels like Dolly's response to me feeling sorry for her was to flip the fucking bird at me. So I'm feeling a little betrayed here.

 

Haha sorry that was me (at first). I was shocked and appalled upon learning Chel and Dolly had begun characterizing your thread as a "callout post" and Chel had reached out to Kint mods in an attempt to silence you, so I was thrilled to see you post such a strongly worded letter to them in response, because truly, they deserve it at this point.

You're not breaking any Kintsugi rules or customs by saying what you did, and you have every right to feel angry and betrayed, so please don't beat yourself up for it. Their treatment of you is truly gross.

 

Thank you. Really. I swear it's like -- they're just irredeemable. They really are. I swear that they are just like -- no, comparing them to Michael Myers is an insult to Michael Myers. Hell, at least depending on the timeline, Michael had a Celtic curse as an excuse. And Chel was trying to silence me? God, they don't have a right to go "fuck the patriarchy" when they're so blatantly misogynistic towards me. I don't know what women ever did to them. And thank you again. I think my therapist actually characterized Chel as emotionally abusive, which...yeah, at this point, I can believe it. Then again, Chel basically emotionally abuses people just by breathing in their direction.

 

I don't know if I'll ever, ever be over that the anonymous message that Chel blew up at that spiraled into them completely destroying their reputation on this site was someone whose primary complaint was... that Chel & Co. react badly when criticized.

Great job, guys, really beating the allegations of hate-googling.

 

Anywho. For those who haven't seen, Seebs made the whole vent/Brainbent forum non-indexed now, so if Chel and Dolly want to continue being fucking weirdos, they'll need to at least put in a minimum amount more effort to do it.

 

I just don’t get it, Tez. At all. I mean, why is Chel such a creepy fucking stalker? Same with Dolly. I mean, she didn’t use to be like this. I think it might have been because Dolly got influenced by Chel cyberstalking Essence. Because back then, it was Chel doing the cyberstalking stuff. Chel cyberstalking, I can buy because they were always a creepy stalker who launched hate campaigns based on the slightest ouchie their feelings got. But Dolly didn’t seem interested in going after Essence back then. Something must have irrevocably changed Dolly to make her think going after S was the best solution.

 

I might have to thank Seebs.

 

I wish I could give some answer that could help, but you know, or knew, Dolly a lot better than any of us do- I've only ever read a handful of sentences that I know are straight from her and not filtered through Chel's unreliable narration. Based on what I do know, I hold her heavily accountable in this, but my guesses about any of the details would be pure speculation. I strongly suspect that they're bringing out the worst in each other's behavior, but whether that means Dolly having a self-harmy habit of anxiety-stalking that Chel then tells her is good actually and weaponizes, Dolly hate-googling things because getting mad together with Chel is a shortcut to validation and camaraderie, a little of both, or something else entirely is a total mystery as long as Dolly isn't willing to speak for herself. The reason Spock and Rigel were two of the mods who first tried to talk Chel down last year is because they've both been on both ends of fandom-related cyberstalking (of each other. It's a long story.), so it's not like this is an issue none of the people involved are experienced with, but when someone who's so clearly a central figure in whyever the fuck this keeps happening keeps her internet presence private, there's only so much any of us have to go on.

I don't know. It seems like Chel has been burning bridges like it's going out of style, and maybe someone will eventually do something that causes a rift in the group and in a few years Dolly will be doing a lot of talking about Chel to a therapist while she unpacks all this shit. Or maybe they won't, and Chel and Dolly will keep being BFFs forever and just keep going until they've added every cartoon character ever drawn to WPaRG and have to resort to writing fanfic of medieval marginalia doodles. (And Dolly, if you're reading this, I do hope it's the first one. As much beef as I have with you, I can't imagine that compulsive hate-googling is fun.)

But Chel is, to steal a phrase from @Lazarae, a tar pit. There comes a point where the only thing left that you can really do is say, "Man, I'm glad I managed not to get sucked too deep into that."

At any rate, I added an extra post explaining how and why I got in contact with you to the TCHGB ChelG thread- if Chel's going to start having a case of the vapors over all this, I want the facts laid out to make it as clear as possible that you were not involved in any of the actual fighting and didn't instigate anything.

 

Well, I guess that if there’s anything I have to give you, it’s that she didn’t start out like this. Dolly, I mean. Hell, she was the only one in the group who consistently talked to me. So I have this theory that Something Happened that made her go from a generally decent-ish lady to a cyberstalking mess, and it has something to do with Chel and the whole fiasco with the YMMV page for WPARG. Namely, that Chel influenced her into doing that sort of thing. Especially since from what I remember, Chel was the one who was doing the cyberstalking when it first came up. So I have this conspiracy theory that Dolly was just emulating what Chel did. Maybe I’m wrong, but it does feel like Chel kind of influenced Dolly into following their example. (Hell, given that Chel apparently was doing this shit long before WPARG, it wouldn’t be out of character for them)

I just think Chel was angry about one of their bits of writing being under the Narm entry on TV Tropes. The thing is, if it was one of the rape scenes, I could understand Chel’s ire because, well, rape isn’t funny, but it wasn’t even that; it was just a confusing characterization device that had Meghan from Drake and Josh being portrayed as a lamia (I recognize that describing it is kind of silly). And hell, it’s what confuses me about Chel; the Narm entry was extremely nice, and Chel still lost their shit. I don’t know if some teacher tore their creative writing apart in a writer’s workshop and that’s why Chel gets so angry about criticism, but it would be the only explanation for why Chel takes the nuclear option regarding concrit.

Honestly, I think Dolly needs a therapist. Like, I’ll freely admit that as much as I have contempt for her, she’s had a sucky life. Awful mother, awful ex (let’s just say that her stuff in the author’s notes was just the tip of the iceberg regarding how shitty this guy was), and then you get the fact that Chel kind of treats her like trash when you really examine it. And I think she just needs to get the fuck away from Chel as soon as possible. Hell, even with that Cerulean whatever spork, I was still dumbstruck that Dolly didn’t say “We’re done, Chel, I’m sorry” after Chel used that reclaimed slur. Maybe there’s something going on that I’m not getting.

And even Chel — as much as I hate them, there are times where I alternate between feeling so much compassion for them I want to cry, and hating them with every fiber of my being. It’s a weird, fucked up process.

On another note, thank you regarding the post. I think you might be kinder to me than I deserve though; I didn’t want to drag Essence into this. The last thing I wanted was for her to get dragged into this. I mean, I didn’t want to dump it on her because I wanted to tell her “By the way, Chel’s been talking shit about you” but I was afraid that I’d make matters worse. And now that I think about it, given her reaction when Chel shoved this in her face apparently, I might have been correct.

 

about the sensitivity to concrit thing. isnt chel the one who repeatedly would say certain things/genres (specifically Romance) were So Easy To Write then was never actually able to write anything at all or conveniently had nowhere to put what WOULD be written so there was more to complain about, then went out of their way repeatedly to try appeasing a lot of randos on reddit and elsewhere to improve their writing. or am i misremembering past forum explosion participants.

 

nope, that was chel, around march of 2019, which i remember because it was just after i moved and there is a whole ass rant about it in my void thread about it that i am tempted to publicize because mods know it's like. good ol' fashion livejournal trashing of opinion with reaction gifs and all.

edit as well: speaking of, hi chel and dolly! and the rest of chelco! i'm pretty sure you're still reading this, and i'm still waiting for your apology and/or acknowledgement and have been for the past... yeah, five years now!

 

I didn’t know about that.

 

I’m morbidly intrigued. Tell me more. (More specifically, Chel and the March of 2019 thing)

 

Just make sure that you take whatever time and space you need to deal with all of this.

One of the main reasons I assigned myself the job of compiling the Chronicle of Cheltdown in the first place is because I'm one of the people involved in the argument who was hurt the least by Chel. They make me furious, but because none of the very worst of what they did directly affects me, it was easier for me to keep enough emotional distance to just sit down and cross-reference timelines and summarize events than it would have been for someone to whom their behavior hit closer to home. I knew it wasn't going to trigger me or set off a depression/anxiety/scrupulosity spiral to look at the shit they did and said in enough detail to document what happened effectively, and if I did that, fewer people would get hurt if they ever had to go diving for proof of some of the horrible things Chel said.

I totally understand why you feel both some guilt and some responsibility over this mess on top of... all the everything, but at this point there's very little any of us can do that will make a difference to whether Chel or Dolly or anyone else in the group decide to pull themselves out of the tar pit. So: secure your own oxygen mask before assisting others. Talk to someone if you need to, look at the pet pictures thread, make some comfort food, whatever helps. Maybe brainstorm a bit about what aspects of the story spoke to you that might have ideas worth salvaging from all the Chel and adapting to something more positive, if you feel like it? I know you've posted apologies for some of the more offensive content in the fic, and as far as I'm concerned, that makes you more or less good on that front. Everybody experiences times when they realize something they did or said was fucked up and then they feel terrible about it; it is no fun whatsoever, but making yourself feel worse about the stuff that happened after that you couldn't have predicted isn't going to help anyone.

And god, yeah, we have now both been in the place of "okay, do I tell them because they deserve to know or do I let them continue to have a nice day," lolsob. :::'DDD

Re: Cheltdown 2019: there's a highly abridged summary of the romance novel debacle in the backstory post of my TCHGB thread, but I've also got a bunch more in a locked forum.

 

Oh, and, to bridge the two subjects of the prior post, another reason I decided to be the Spite Archivist is that I had already made said private thread in 2019, which I did because Chel managed to spread their freakout to so many different places that I started copy-pasting post timestamps into a .txt file just so I could figure out what the hell was going on.