Yeah, I think it fell down that same pit Palpatine did. What is it with everyone in Star Wars randomly putting giant pits in all their buildings, anyway?
giant pits! longass catwalks with no handrails! ceruleancynic said she thought the one in Starkiller Base was because of kylo insisting on playing architect for a day. :P
Ventilation maybe? They seem to generally be in computer-heavy areas that you probably don't want entirely closed off. If you manage it, do share.
@keltena linked this on Tumblr, so I'm sharing it with you guys in turn: somebody on fail_fandomanon is writing the epic saga of Anakin's force ghost constantly yelling at his grandson. Part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4. "Ben wouldn't listen to anyone who wasn't Darth Vader. Anakin, despite having the very dubious honour of being the only person to have ever been Darth Vader, apparently did not qualify."
More important things I came across browsing FFA: The sound of Kylo Ren using the Force is actually a kitten purring, pitched and slowed down heavily to sound ominous and threatening. You're welcome. #there's probably an entertaining metaphor to be made from this but I can't be bothered #plus nothing will ever be as good a metaphor for Kylo Ren as his own lightsaber
I found a zip with scans of the visual dictionary! If anyone wants it, let me know so I can link them. This will tide me over while I debate myself about buying this. I want it. But hardcover would be hard what with shipping... :/ hmm Ebook would last but big visual dictionary...
@Raire I would LOVE that link if you don't mind. PM maybe? Also, who has Dark Side information, I need so much more Dark Side information. I've been reading Darth Plagueis, because his story always captivated me in the Prologue Trilogy and I was STOKED to hear there was a book about him, and reading it has caused me to wonder about things. Alright, a thousand years ago, Darth Bane sets up the Rule of Two, making it so that there can only be two Sith at one time--master and apprentice. Or one, if one is dead and another hasn't been found. He did that to get rid of the infighting which had made the Sith order weaker in his time. Great! But there aren't just two people who can or do use the Dark Side in the galaxy. Don't fuck with me here, Bane. In this book Plagueis (charming narrator, btw) talks about false Sith, people following the code but obviously not recognized, and delights at being The Real One. Wait, tho, there are off-brand Sith? That's awesome. Tell me about them. The Knights of Ren are Dark Side users that aren't Sith. Is it just like... a code difference? Do they just follow different rules? And there have to be people in the galaxy who use the dark side in totally different ways, in totally different orders (or individually, like galactic swamp witches on their deserted rocky planets casting dark hexes) and please tell me about them. Don't fuck w me they have to exist, it's not just Sith and a few off-brand Sith in the whole galaxy. Who are they. What are they like. How is their use of the force different. Can I join? Also I've yet to see proof that there was a freaking mortal combat meltdown after both Sidious and Vader, Last Official Sith, died in explosive murder-suicide, but it had to have happened. Every single off-brand Sith in the galaxy declared theirself True Sith Lord and excommunicated the rest and tried to take over the galaxy just like the time we had seven popes, do not LIE TO ME. Just in case you haven't noticed I'm considering changing my custom user message to 'off-brand Sith' but the whole 'gay battle' thing is just so ME
@littlewhitemouse This means that there's at least one disgruntled Sith Lord who keeps sending Snoke holo-Howlers like "YOU can't be the Supreme Leader, the SITH rule the galaxy and I'M the only real Sith left", right?
I want to know the logic behind No There Are Only Two True Sith Ever as a way to strengthen the Empire. Like, you know someone on the advisory board was like, "But sir, what are we supposed to do about all these apprentices and students and the literal dozens of Sith Lords and Darths and whatnot?" How is "Nope, sorry, none of you are Sith, go home!" supposed to help? Especially since back in the Good Old Days of the Empire, heirarchy was like I. Darth StrongBad, his Former Apprentices A. Lord Cheerleader and her apprentices i. The Favorite ii. The Competition for The Favorite iii. A Wildcard to keep them both on their toes a. A pile of acolytes to remind all the Apprentices that they're replaceableB. Lord So-and-So and her apprentices i. The Favorite ii. The Competition for The Favorite iii. A Wildcard to keep them both on their toes a. A pile of acolytes to remind all the Apprentices that they're replaceableC. Lord Whatsherface and her apprentices i. The Favorite ii. The Competition for The Favorite iii. A Wildcard to keep them both on their toes a. A pile of acolytes to remind all the Apprentices that they're replaceableD. Lord The Ugly One and her apprentices i. The Favorite ii. The Competition for The Favorite iii. A Wildcard to keep them both on their toes a. A pile of acolytes to remind all the Apprentices that they're replaceableAnd Darth StrongBad had his own pile of competition in the forms of Darths StrongMad and StrongSad and their piles of minions. Yes, there was a lot of infighting and competition but there was also a fuckload of Sith and Sith trainees this way. Wiping all of that out to replace it with One Guy and His Apprentice Are The Only Sith Ever seems horribly inefficient.
Back in the old days of the EU before we found out the Rule of Two was a thing the empire had a whole bunch of evil force users of various descriptions, fallen jedi, that sort of thing. And I think we still have them with the Inquisitors in Rebels, so I figure that, given that Palpatine seems to go through a lot of apprentices, the rule is like "whoever murders Darth Vader in a plausibly deniable way is my new apprentice" and it's just that either nobody is that dumb or the ones that are tend to die of suspicious lightsaber accidents pretty quick. But yeah Palpatine is not exactly a Rule of Two purist, considering how he tends to have a boatload of force users on hand for convenience anyway. In the Darth Vader comics it turns out he's been sponsoring a scientist to make him some Vader-level cyborgs who could potentially replace Vader to be his new apprentice. Vader's reaction is approximately "this is heresy." One thing that I miss from the old EU was that it was mentioned once that one of the Rule of Two Sith between Bane and Plagueis actually fell to the light side, because that's apparently something that can happen, and had to be offed by their apprentice before they could give the whole game away to the Jedi. That seems like a potential flaw in that system.
So it was more like "Fine you can be Evil Force Users but you can't be Sith, there's only Two Sith and they are Special, you can't be one unless you kill one of us. Nyeh nyeh. Which is even more blatantly stupid. Yes, making the title of Sith Lord even more precious and coveted while maintaining the Trial By Combat aspect will absolutely make Evil Force Users stop betraying, sabotaging and murdering each other. Yes this is an excellent plan. I am so good at rules. Ten points to Dumbledore Bane.
So, I have no meaningful contribution to make to this discussion (though for the record, I'm loving all of it), but... just now I was reading it out loud to my brother, and I feel the need to share some of his comments with you. (Read: I had to deal with it so so can you.) "Wait, what? But then--what are all the other Sith people? The Artists Formerly Known As Sith? Sath??" "If they call themselves Sith they get their videos taken off YouTube." "Yeah, but they don't have the official Sith Seal of Quality Assurance." "Prosecute them for trademark infringement, obviously." "They're diluting their brand!" #I'm sorry #but not sorry enough to not post this
The impression I got (though I admit I'm far less EU-knowledgeable than some of the people here) was that a) since it's pretty easy to fall to the Dark Side, there will pretty much always be SOME Dark Side users running around as long as there are Force-sensitives, but b) what the Rule of Two meant was that the Sith would stop teaching their ~advanced Dark Side techniques~ to anyone but their chosen apprentices. So there are still plenty of Dark Jedi and whatnot, but they aren't as well-trained in the Dark Side as a proper Sith apprentice would be, and thus not much of a threat to the sovereignty of the Sith royalty. But this might just be me making stuff up to fill in holes.
Darry Bane probably decided this rule of two, set all his apprentices (if more than one remained) against each other to get only one, and promptly killed anybody who knew anything, thus establishing his dominion of Sith techniques, and moving himself and his apprentice to working from the shadows so no one knows they are Dith, not even those who call them Master, at least not in any way that makes them recognizable like Palpatine and his robes in hologram disguise. Heh.
