I am Very Upset that you let that Black Light pun just sail over the plate like that without taking a swing. Also, can we talk DNA base-pairing ships? Dave/Nepeta (TG/AC) fukkin adorable Rose/Aradia couple most likely to end the world on their first date Jade/Feferi I'm honestly so sad that this has fallen from semi-common to rarepair. it's the best (okay, let's be real I ship everyone with Jade, though. And Aradia, and Porrim and Karkat)
@Acey I would love to read that analysis. @Wiwaxia Ashen jade/feferi tho? Idek who with, i just love the idea of feferi gleefully giving jade shit all the time and *loving* (grumblegrumble typos) that jade, unlike the trolls, is never that tiny bit afraid/respectful because of her status. Like. Picture her gushing at nepeta over trollian all like "and thats wh--en she hit me with the rolled up newtpaper! *swoooooon*"
Feferi c3< (Jade/Jadesprite) AU maybe? God knows the two of them need it. Or maybe Jade c3< (Feferi/Vriska)?
Okay, I'm going to genuinely ask people in this thread to attempt to rationally stan for Cronus, Gamzee, and Eridan. I'm sure these characters have merits, I just don't see them, at all. Please tell me why they aren't horrible. I WANT TO BELIEVE
I can't ship Cronus with anyone save in an abusive fashion or a fashion where the relationship falls apart very quickly. Which is how I like to think Porrim was with him. First there was a short lived matespritship because, well, he is cute really. In his own dorky way. I guess. Then Porrim realized something and that is that yeah no he was still a sexist douche even to her. Thus began their pale relationship. Except Cronus is detestable and pathetic and Porrim is a huge jerk who just doesn't understand that he's being friendly! Thus began their kismessisitude. All of these ended very soon. Porrim regrets each and every last one. Meenah took a photo of them kissing. One that was copied and shown to the others. This was an awful day. The worst day. Even worse than all those days of looking at Kankri in those hideous fucking pants.
Speaking of Porrim, I would like you all to consider Damara/Porrim as a ship. Pale or red, hell, maybe even black. Seriously, Porrim seems to be less disdainful of Damz than anyone else is at least, and Damara doesn't actively engage with her, she just stands there and makes Kanaya slightly uncomfortable (which is creepy, I suppose, but comparatively harmless, and downright wholesome by Damara standards). For all Porrim says making people uncomfortable is Damara's specialty, she also is quite diplomatic in how she tells Damara to leave (simply telling her to go away because she and Kanaya are having a private conversation, and telling her they'll talk later), and Damara actually does so. I know the evidence is circumstantial as fuck but ugh I want them to be happy.
I like to think that Porrim honestly tried to have a pale relationship with Damara. Especially after the whole cheating and Meenah killing incident. But it didn't work out. My exact reasons for it not working out aren't really settled and what not. I really should try working that all out again at some point. Which leads me to the presentation of Maid of Time Porrim and Witch of Light Damara having a moirailFUCKTHISWORDence. That is another thing that I want to work out. That and just that bloodswap in general? Beforus Nepeta would be the Empress going by my weird standards which would be an interesting thing to work with. I need to think about Damara and the Handmaid more in general? My two Megido loving friends have filled me with a love for the time women in general but the Handmaid and Damara in particular.
Okay but consider: Dam<>Fef. And Handmaid<3Dolorosa. If I'm not so braindead I'd write up meta for it.
@pixels All homestuck characters* are horrible in their own special way. Thats what makes them rad. And since Im not caught up past grimbark!Jade, i can't reasonably talk about gamzee. But I will argue that Eridan is the source of all Eridan's problems and that if he had gotten to grow up he could have become someone really cool. Eridan's main problem (and cronus' for that matter) is that he wants to be loved but he has no concept of other people being real in the same way he is so he can't experience being loved EVEN IF SOMEONE LOVES HIM. Other people are just props in the story hes telling himself and excuses for not owning his own feelings and actions. Look at how he acts with Feferi--he completely shuts her out in favor of his fantasy relationship he doesn't bother communicating with her about. When he doesnt get what he wants--after letting her exhaust herself trying to keep up a morallegiance he doesnt even want--he blames her. Or karkat--when karkat is trying to talk to him about people dying and bad shit going down all Eridan can think is "well yeah but why didnt anyone drop everything to come tend to MY feelings even though I didnt ask or communicate that need?" And that sucks because Eridan is also really smart and strong and hilarious in a backhanded, dry, snarky sort of way. He would SLAY on fandomwank. He's awesome at planning and able to switch gears quickly under pressure and if he ever expanded his definition of who counts as people his flair for the dramatic and habit of making everything into some grand story would make him probably really good at helping people make sense of their lives. And, i mean. A lot of kids have trouble thinking of other people's experiences as equally valid and real as their own--its one of those things a lot of people learn as part of growing up. Someday i will write a fic set 40 sweeps after sburb and it will just be everyone looking back at the things that happened and sort of cringing cause "omg guys i was such a shiiiiiiiiit :(" *except the mayor
@Lissiel Wow, I didn't even think of Eridan as NPD. It makes total sense. Cronus too. I think their Achilles heel is the need to please. They would literally do anything to feel accepted. If I commit genocide, will this girl love me? If I try to touch his heart by touching his shoulder, will this guy love me? Of course, that extreme loss of standards/unmooring of moral compass is kind of terrifying. e. I wonder if this is an Aquarius feature, come to think of it. My Aquarius polymate has this flavor, but with BPD seasonings instead of NPD. The thirst need for acceptance is real tho. The only real Eridan ship I can even conceive of shipping is Karkat/Eridan, where Karkat's slowly pulling Eridan's head out of his own ass. Validating, but not enabling, if that makes sense. And even then, I don't like Eridan being happy because I just. Fish Hitler. Cronus I actually "recognize" more and I'm fine with him being happy, but... I'm actually kind of still stuck at the same place you are in Homestuck because that's really where I stopped reading. *rips shirt off* I LOVE THIS THREAD
Oh my God. Handmaid<3Dolorosa is actually a thing that's happened in an AU some friends and I do called Gangland. The gist of the setting is that the world is magical. Some places happen to have far more magical concentration than others. Scratch in the setting is a vampire lord named Count Scratch von Scourge and he is of course attempting to summon Lord English and destroy the world as he has many times before. His hobbies include being a dick to the Handmaid and kidnapping girls to be his magical proteges/vampire wives. The Dolorosa was one of those girls. Super Catholic Irish girl who could see the Fair Folk and who was kidnapped away like so many other girls. Also as an aside Ireland was never conquered in this AU and grumpily deals with Otherworld and the VIKINGS. Though it has a very strong tradition of FUCK ENGLAND. Anyway. She fell for the exceptionally cranky poetry loving handmaid of Scratch. Handmaid didn't return said feelings and doesn't even really think of her as a friend (though she is in fact one of her few friends). Dolorosa finally got fed up with their incredibly imbalanced and unhealthy "relationship" and started to resent her. When she made up her mind to try running away from Scratch she tried to get the Handmaid to come with. Who refused and told her straight out that she'd have to tell Scratch that the Dolorosa was running away. The Dolorosa slapped her, called her a bitch, and spent the rest of her life as a human hating her. Then she died and her daughters were taken because Scratch is an asshole and Porrim is an unlucky dork who trusted him. She's now a cat sidhe and now fine with the Handmaid's bullshit. She knows her chances with her are basically fucking dead but she is content to be both a friend and a pest. She fusses and frets over the Handmaid in her weird Fair Folk ways. Which involve things like watching her as a cat and asking a fili to compose a poem about her eventual death (which she will attempt to make sure plays out in some sort of favorable way). She also intends to spend days on end (if permitted) keening outside of Scratch's mansion when and if the Handmaid dies. Because someone has to mourn her, dammit.
... Much shipping very quadrant in here now, wow. Where's the world building squad at. Also; That sounds incredibly painful. I hope you are not using the definition of whittling I think of.
I also kind of like canon Maid<3Rosa. Rarepairstuck 2k15 proselytized me to this. Like. Imagine. Scratch is. Very carefully. Trying to bring about the end of the world as we know it. The Handmaid is his hands. And the Handmaid has psychic powers. And they know that something Very Important is going to be happening soon, and that it's centered around Rosa. As it turns out, the momentous occasion is Rosa discovering Suff as a little grublet. And I just. Imagine Hama stepping in, at least psychically if not physically, and impressing on Rosa how important it is to raise this tiny precious child. Even as Hama knows this will break Rosa's heart and that Rosa will end up persecuted. Even though Hama knows she's signing a death warrant for so many trolls. And because of this sympathy and regret Hama just sort of. Falls in love with Rosa from a distance. I like this in either requieted or unrequieted flavors. But it's just this. Very grown-up morose pondering navel-gazing lesbian love.
I want everyone to figure out why they're being asshats and learn not to be and go be their best selves and be happy. That is my secret shameful agenda, now you know. Though I will admit I always read the genocide thing as bullshit mall-ninja stuff and not a thing he actually ever really planned to do. Like you can see the disconnect when hes talking to karkat, like well SURE im planning to kill all the landdwellers, that makes me-in-my-story very noble and heroic! But not gonna hurt YOU obviously! Or like, any other actual people i actually know! Thats totally different! I wouldnt necessarily call it NPD either, though you could read it that way. I think its pretty common for children not to fully understand that other people have real feelings same as them. Its a cognitive thing people come to at different times.
Tell me about your fanon classes, aspects, denizens, lands, Sburb sessions, weapons. TELL ME EVERYTHING. *chinhands* # i meant whittling his dick like polishing his knob # but also wanking so hard it has to hurt by now
Have you guys read the sburb glitch faq? I love that AU so so much. Marysue!lissiel is totally a Guide of Stars.
I have an OC that I use to go on insane linguistic and anthropological ramblings about Alternian and Beforan culture. In terms of world building. I should do more of those. Also I constructed a religion for the jadebloods. An esoteric thing with inspirations from Tibetan Buddhism, Hinduism, and Roman Catholicism.
Ooh, hey. The thing with karkat talking like a dictionary while the condesce talks like a thug bugged me so much until I read the theory that old alternian was a really expansive contextual language like English, and that at some point (maybe wrt empire building) there was a linguistic shift that led to using a relatively small set of words in sets for concepts. So like, instead of a separate word for kitchen, you'd link the word for food and the word for room and it'd be rendered out as "nutrition block." That lets you learn the language quickly and communicate ideas concisely. And it was only the older people who'd remember doin things differently and the high class who'd have the luxury of sounding cool instead of clearly communicating information. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I really love this theory but I cant remember the source. :(
I have such an urge to try and write comic Dolomaid now. God dammit. What have you people done to me. WHAT. Also I tend to call the Dolorosa Dolly for short now. I blame friends.
[water-bearer joke] As for Gamzee apologetics, he's basically a clown-shaped hole in the narrative right now, and given how often he gets steamrollered by whatever new asshole rolls into town (cf. Serkets) and how closely he's been associating with Cal it's questionable how much culpability he has for his actions. , basically. Concrete opinions pending the end of homestuck. Even if he turns out to have been fully willing and active in all the shit he did, though, he was still at one point a lonely, friendly kid who grinned cheerfully as his friends mocked him, and things could easily have gone differently for him. e. i really hope that there's something more complicated and sympathetic going on with Gamzee, though (whistles analogue?) Hivebent Gamzee deserves a better end to his story than what we've got now played straight
