Yeah, idk, it's just we started this a few days ago and there's already 16 pages in here and i love everyone figuring things out but it's too much!
Okay, so! Gonna put down info about Poppy. Aged her up a bit. Poppy Ortega, daughter of Ceres, aged 15 Older sister Rose is 6 years older, vanished when she was 17, was really high-ranking and respected in camp. Father is Carlos Ortega, a cuban-american architect and environmental activist. Grew up pretty damn rich. Missing her right arm, uses an Imperial Gold prosthetic, but can't sleep with it on. Ambidextrous. Three long scars on her right cheek. Member of 2nd Cohort. Considers children of Ceres her siblings, unsure of her own feelings on Demeter. Feels like she doesn't fit in Demeter cabin, doesn't understand why Demeter kids aren't normally fiercer when they live in a world that is actively hostile to demigods. Workaholic to avoid having to deal with feelings. Compartmentalizes. Girly fashion sense she rarely gets to indulge. Aside from general demigod strength, speed, etc, Poppy can control, alter, and manipulate plants, create or dispell rain, and, when she does things right, commune with the dead near certain spots sacred to Ceres. Does not know of third power. Avid mythomagic player, friends with Nico de Angelo, knows other canon characters from Roman camp but not close to any other major character. Trauma. Trauma? Trauma.
oh hey since Nico traveled back and forth between the two camps and probs would've met Adara at some point...I should maybe put Adara's feelings on Nico.... she considers him a sibling because they're both children of Hades, but she doesn't know him that well. she thinks he's aloof and gloomy and, despite best efforts to get to know him, doesn't know much about him or his past or anything. might be ever-so-slightly jealous of his and Poppy's friendship, upon learning they are friends. Adara's 16, also. she's been at camp for six years, and has not left it once in that time.
Okay, so. Why was Adara not considered eligible for the prophecy in the first books? Why did Nico not turn to her upon losing Bianca? I love Adara but I think since canonically children of Zeus/Jupiter, Pluto/Hades, and Neptune/Poisiden are such a big fucking deal in the timeline of the books, we need to address this. Sorry.
hmmmm. well, considering the fact that she would've been born about sixteen years ago from present time, she arrived at camp in about 2010, maybe slightly before Percy. she probably would've been initially assumed to be prophecy child, until Percy showed up--he's 12 when he arrives at camp, therefore older, therefore probably prophecy kid rather than Adara. presumably, had Percy died, it would've gone back to being Adara, but since Percy was older people assumed it would be him and not her for the time being. Adara was probably told of the prophecy at some point, but also assumed it would be Percy. since he never dies and he takes care of the prophecy, she didn't have the pressure of that hanging over her. in the book when Nico and Bianca show up, she'd have been....twelve, almost a teenager, probably tried to talk to Nico, but since his main interest was Mythomagic and hers was books they didn't really hit it off. they chatted, but never really became close enough for him to consider her really a sister, or family, or anything like that. so when he finds out Bianca's dead, he feels alone in his grief and still runs off, and then he doesn't come back to camp for a really damn long time. when he does finally return, he's basically unrecognizable as the happy kid who loved Mythomagic, and initially Adara's kind of put off by how he acts, and doesn't try to get to know him again. she avoids the cabin when he's in it, until finally she realizes that he's avoided in camp a lot, and knows what that feels like, and starts to feel bad, and decides he must want a friend, whereupon she tries to get to know him, but it doesn't go that well because he's still pretty quiet and secretive, and she doesn't really know what to do or say to him. she's not super cheery or optimistic, but she's really quiet when she's nervous, and he's pretty quiet himself, and two quiet kids sitting around together doesn't really build a friendship, so finally she gives up.
also, Adara's always been pretty quiet, and Nico was chatty at first, and their conversations probably would've been mostly Nico talking and Adara not talking much, so he probably didn't feel very close to her because...they didn't talk or share a lot.
Right but. Nico was so desperate for kinship he smuggled a dead girl out of Hades to have a sibling. I don't think he'd ditch Adara for being quiet. And the gods were so worked up over the prophecy Thalia got turned into a fucking tree. Like, I'm legitimately not sure if I'm being too picky here? It breaks immersion for me and I hate saying that because I don't wanna rain on your parade, but the only reason Hazel could be a thing is because she was DEAD for so long?
I guess part of it is I'm unsure if we're rewriting canon or making people who could have been side characters in canon and then came into their own importance now. Like, part of why Percy doesn't let himself take a loophole and get out of the prophecy is because it'd revert to Nico, and he doesn't want to give Nico that burden. So adding Adara into the mix would radically change those dynamics, and...
I'm timing it a year after the Heroes of Olympus ending. We can shift that around if we need to, but doing so impacts Poppy's age.
this is roughly around the time I was thinking it as well. keep in mind, though: he smuggled the dead girl out of Hades after the whole "I hate you Percy I'm going to run away forever and raise the dead and try and get Bianca back", or at least, I assume he smuggled her out of Hades after he'd already forgiven Percy, because it seems like it was post-forgiving Percy that he started to journey around and probably found the Romans' camp, and since Hazel probably would've said she was a child of Pluto he would've needed to know about the Roman gods and camp prior to finding her. so I don't think he was too desperate for company right after Bianca died, or while he was on his revenge track--I think he was mostly concerned at that time with "I want to get Bianca back and I hate Percy". and I think that after he came back, he was so different that at first Adara didn't really know what to make of him, and didn't try to get close with him. when she finally did it was mostly two quiet kids sitting around not talking. maybe Nico feels closer to her than she does to him? but Adara probably hasn't talked to him a ton because she doesn't talk much and Nico post-Labyrinth strikes me as pretty quiet and not super talkative either, and Adara doesn't feel close to people she hasn't talked to much. as far as the prophecy thing goes, I mean, Percy wasn't told right away what was going on. so Adara wouldn't have been either. and I don't think she showed up at camp very long before Percy, certainly not in enough time for her to be told and him not to be told. and I think Percy wouldn't want to give anyone else the burden of the prophecy, be that person Nico or Adara. he doesn't like to see people around him hurting, especially not because of him, and I think he'd consider passing the prophecy on to someone else to be a way of hurting them because he's giving them this huge burden. Thalia didn't get turned into a tree because of the prophecy. she got turned into a tree because she was dying and Zeus didn't want her to go to Hades, who pretty much despised Thalia at the time. I don't think you're nitpicking either, I think these are valid questions.
Basically, uhhh... How much does it fuck with your character to make Adara a daughter of Thanatos, instead? I'm not asking hypothetically, if someone asked me to make Poppy's mother someone else it wouldn't work, so I understand if 'daughter of Hades' is not something you can change. But then we'd have to time the rp a generation later, and that would be tricky for Poppy.