By Faranth's First Egg: The Dragonriders of Pern

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by Raire, Aug 15, 2016.

  1. rigorist

    rigorist On the beach

    There's an SF trope that if you have an entity composed of many individual telepaths, it would be super-intelligent. I'm not sure why that should be the case.
     
  2. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    I think the thought process is that it's the same way a brain is a lot smarter than a single neuron.
     
  3. Exohedron

    Exohedron Doesn't like words

    And yet mobs tend to be rather stupid.

    It's unclear how intelligent the "Firelizards of Pern" is. Excitable and long-memoried certainly, but not clear on intelligence.
     
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  4. Ryncoon

    Ryncoon Well-Known Member

    Multiple perspectives and reasoning, with consensus presumably reaching the best (or least bad) solutions.

    I have a hivemind species that are essentially sentient space goo, and they definitely do not make the best collective decisions. Just because every microorganism in the hive agrees they should try to eat a spaceship does not actually make it a good idea. And just because most of you like the telepath that wears you around as a cape does not mean she is, in turn, a good decision maker. But it's democracy, damnit!!
     
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  5. Starcrossedsky

    Starcrossedsky Burn and Refine

    As this is my general feeling on Christopher Paolini's books, I will second this.
     
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  6. Mala

    Mala Well-Known Member

    Thing I'd Like to See Explored #857: In the first book, Ramoth actually kills/seriously injured someone before Lessa Impresses her and the way the whole thing is described, it almost seems like a compulsion. Like, imagine this bond that compels you to love and care for this being even if it has done or does awful things or things you'd strongly oppose.
     
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  7. Raire

    Raire Turquoise Helicoid

    Things I'd like to see explored, the repeat complaint: what happens to Thread that burrows.
     
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  8. Ryncoon

    Ryncoon Well-Known Member

    It settles into the center of the planet like a wasp larva and devours it from within. *nodnod*
     
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  9. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    maybe its like really intense weed-killer
    like it sucks the life out of the weeds. and then the grass, and trees, and any other organic it comes in contact with
    ooooo! what if it has a similar but less permanent effect as the kindergardens in steven universe?
    everything turns inert for a while until new growth returns
    maybe it eats up all the nutrients from the soil so you'd have to either change out the soil or build it back up before you could grow crops and stuff there?
    i could see people coming up with a local version of terra preta to try to combat it
     
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  10. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    Thread is mini-Lavos? That's a... less nonsensical crossover than it should be, actually.
     
  11. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    reading that site raire linked
    found a bit on money i thought raised an interesting point
    so if we change the holds from a feudal system to a city-state system would that mean that the holds are the ones issuing the Marks instead of the craft halls? i mean that would make more sense anyway. if the Marks are made of wood and aren't backed by anything like silver or gold in canon then the only craft hall it would make sense to control it would be the one gathering the lumber in the first place
     
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  12. Starcrossedsky

    Starcrossedsky Burn and Refine

    I would think it cold make sense as being the craft halls, and they represent a certain standardized amount of the hall's service depending on the Hall. Like a mininghall mark could be worth x amount of ore, or a weaverhall one x amount of fabric. Each is presumably marked for the Hall that printed it and there's a rate of exchange, but that would be hard to standardize. Holds closest to a given Hall would use primarily those marks.
     
  13. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    yeah i could see that working. at least better than the canon system.

    oh and i found my Atlas of Pern and Dragonlover's Guide to Pern books if anyone wants some info from one of those sources?
     
  14. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    also i don't even know when to post in this thread or the other one anymore so...
     
  15. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    another thought: how do they not get copper poisoning?
    if the local life is copper-based then surely there is some kind of issue just waiting to happen
    or do they eat only the kinds of plants and animals they brought with them to pern?
     
  16. Starcrossedsky

    Starcrossedsky Burn and Refine

    Well I mean they can eat some limited amount of it. Shellfish and such on earth are copper-based and you don't see people dying of clam chowder overdose.
     
  17. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    oh i did not know that
    i just wasn't sure where the limit was and how much of the native fauna and flora they were eating
    ...this is what happens when im recovering and Internet at the same time >_<
    sorry, my bad
     
  18. Starcrossedsky

    Starcrossedsky Burn and Refine

    Yep, their blood is formed of a copper-based compound called hemocyanin. It's bright blue when oxidized, really quite lovely color.
     
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  19. Exohedron

    Exohedron Doesn't like words

    They did some bioengineering at some point. I think it's mentioned in Dragonsdawn that the turkeys didn't do too well because of the high boron content of the local plants.
     
  20. VJ Wocky

    VJ Wocky 36 Somnolent Void Seeks Perfection in Dissonance

    did some digging in my copy of The Dragonlover's Guide To Pern (under spoilers to keep size down)

    so it had enough minerals to be used like modern day earth but not so much to be useful to an interplanetary society

    i highly doubt you'd get humans to live that long without both better medical care than we have now and some genetic modification, so looks like that, at least, is canon

    and this would also explain away my concern about humans eating too much native flora and fauna. oh and its why the dragons can get enough boron from eating the modified earth species.

    i wonder how the animals got the silicon they needed if it wasn't in the base of the food chain?

    its space fungus. really effing big space fungus that grows super fast and eats super fast and can get bigger than a fucking anaconda. and that's not even its final form

    i'll add more when i've read further

    *edit* so the rest was kind of general knowledge and information we've already decided to change or stuff we won't need for a while

    if anyone wants maps of the weyrs or holds i can scan them and upload them here, just let me know what ones you want
     
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