TFs: DARE TO BE STUPID

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by itsAlana, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. sirsparklepants

    sirsparklepants feral mom energies

    Does that mean it's time for me to unearth my Brutalist Megatron post and send it around again as textual proof? :P
     
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  2. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Or an example I decided not to discuss in that earlier post is the IRA. Ireland was a conquered nation under Britain's rule, and apart from being oppressed in concrete ways, there had even been a systematic effort to stamp out their language, all kinds of nasty stuff. So the IRA did have a point when they started pushing back. But at best they were vigilantes and officially they were/are classified as TERRORISTS. Almost a third of the people they killed were civilians, and wikipedia tells me that from 1970-2005, they detonated 19,000 IEDs, or one every 17 hours for 35 years.

    And there's glamour to it, there are all sorts of exciting rebel songs, one of my friends had a grandpa who was ex-IRA, and it's about throwing off brutal oppressors, right? Yeah, it's still an extremely touchy subject for them. Spoilers: irish car bombs are not a drink they have, I'm lucky my roommate was super chill. And the split between the two Irelands is still real ugly if you get too close. Kind of makes me wish I knew more history to be able to worldbuild even better for my... robot fanfiction, haha :P But it's really such a depressing thing to research.
     
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  3. Allenna

    Allenna I am not a Dragon. Or a Robot. Really.

    This is one of the posts I was talking about. Its all over my dash today.

    Edit: including from people I thought would have more nuance on this. I don't think some people are reading it complete or thinking it through before hitting reblog. And as my laptop finally bit the dust i can't post block it which is frustrating. Oh xkit how did I tumblr without you.
     
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  4. mizushimo

    mizushimo the greatest hits

    From what i can tell, this person would probably be right at home in Ray's camp. I did a little bit of digging, and they have a starscreamkin blog (where they talk about memories from their timeline) and has autobot kin on their dnf list. So it probably is a case of someone, at least partially, making up their own story about what's going on and calling it canon.

    It seemed a little weird that they really wanted to hammer home that decepticons = oppressed minorities. There's definitely parallels in the early decepticon movement in idw, even though it was modeled after the communist movement, the rebels could represent any group that finds themselves stuck at bottom of an oppressive system because of their caste or race.

    I think there is a weakness in the idw decepticon timeline (which is probably due to trying to intro shades of grey after phase one was almost over), There's a disconnect between the early movement rise up against an oppressive system and a 4 million year war that destroyed thousands of worlds. I can follow Megatron's motivations all the way until he destroys the Senate, and then suddenly he's waging s campaign to destroy all the organics and cyber form world's for some idealogical reason? Megs just turns into a combination of the Emperor and Darth Vader, then decides to destroy all noncybertronian life in the galaxy because of a 30 year tradion in the franchise?

    * As far as other transformers media goes, all the cartoons I've seen so far are in desperate need ofor some shades of grey (except g1, it's perfect the way it is). With both Prime and TFA, the narrative stumbles into situations where the audience might have to sympathize with the decepticons, only to back pedal hard by playing it for laughs or by having the bad guys remind everyone that they are evil and we shouldn't be sympathizing with them.

    A few times in TFA, the autobots only excuse for really callous behavior is that the decepticons are worse (we are halfway through season 2, I'm told that shit gets real in season 3).
     
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  5. mizushimo

    mizushimo the greatest hits

    Oh no, now it's blowing up? I hope this doesn't lead to a moral crusade in the fandom.
     
  6. Allenna

    Allenna I am not a Dragon. Or a Robot. Really.

    People are latching on to the word minority and funneling real life issues over the issue. I wouldn't even be noticing if my laptop hadn't finally kicked the can. Moblie sucks pass it on.

    What frustrates me is I know no one is even going to talk about Hot Rod, Nyon, and the direct join us offer from Megs.

    Including the official writers.
     
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  7. Allenna

    Allenna I am not a Dragon. Or a Robot. Really.

    Hasbro, people need to remember still only see any transformer franchise as a veichiel to sell toys.
     
  8. mizushimo

    mizushimo the greatest hits

    Is there a comic about Hot Rod's beginnings and Nyon? Or is it one of those things that gets mentioned in passing? I'd like to read it for myself at some point.
     
  9. Loq

    Loq rotating like a rotisserie chicknen

    Most if not all of it's gone over in Autocracy... which, for better or worse depending on your preferences, has a lot of Ramondelli art.
     
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  10. Loq

    Loq rotating like a rotisserie chicknen

    An entirely-unrelated horrible thought: MTOs built without fuel-processing systems because that's a waste of materials on someone who (probably, statistically speaking) won't even survive five minutes, let alone long enough to need refueled. Some poor schmuck who managed to live out the battle running on spite, robot-adrenaline, and whatever fuel was needed to get his frame online in the first place either dying a slow painful death because no one can (or, rather, wants to) spare the time and resources to install an entire fake robotified digestive tract fuel-to-blood processing system or being tethered to a medbay because he needs whatever the robot equivalent of IV infusions is to keep his fuel levels up.
     
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  11. sirsparklepants

    sirsparklepants feral mom energies

    loq what the fuck. what. why do you insist on hurting me. why does this whole thread insist on it.
     
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  12. Exohedron

    Exohedron Doesn't like words

    That's how we get vampires.
     
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  13. coldstars

    coldstars get Jazzy on it

    We were born in the angst...molded by it... :toot:
     
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  14. mizushimo

    mizushimo the greatest hits

    I could see this happening, but with a little modification. What if the MTOs weren't considered real people who deserved care until they survived their first battle? From Getaway's origin story, I don't think they even had names when they were tossed on the battlefield. It makes sense to not waste resources on canon fodder, but they'd also need a steady supply of longer lasting veterans to replace the fallen soldiers.

    Imagine if all the MTOs shared the experience of having to prove themselves useful in order to be made into a complete person. It could explain why people like Brainstorm and Getaway are so singlemindedly devoted to their objectives.
     
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  15. Petra

    Petra space case

    @spockandawe @coldstars Song for Prowl?



    I’m good all day
    I keep my edges clean
    I work, I play
    By rules and reasoning

    And I’m trying for a quiet mind
    To burn through mine like quinine
    And all night I’m a kite on fire
    You’re in my dreams
    And my head’s hotwired
    To the last thing I need
    And you’re all that I want and
    Until I’m asleep
    I can keep all these thoughts off but
    Nothing stops the dreams
     
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  16. mizushimo

    mizushimo the greatest hits

    Autocracy was really good! I wish it had been a collaborative effort though, Ramondelli's art has good atmosphere, but the character's aren't expressive at all. I'd love to know how Roddy because the secret underground leader of an entire city and why he spent primus knows how long rigging it to explode. I had thought he would have been more naive when he joined the autobots but nope! He was already well aquainted with war and violence before Orion met him.

    Can someone point me in the direction of when the Matrix bonded with Rodimus? I read all the stuff after he stole it from Starscream, but it didn't do anything except keep him alive.
     
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  17. Loq

    Loq rotating like a rotisserie chicknen

    From wikidiving it looks like the actual bonding doesn't happen onscreen, but between issues; jumps from issue 13 of The Transformers (no, not that one, the other one-- the 2009-2011 ongoing rather than exRiD, I'll see if I can dig up links eta: as far as I can tell viewcomic does not have 2009 Transformers, so. booooo), where Roddy and the Matrix escape/are left for dead to issue 19 of same, where he crashes on and is picked up by aliens. If there's a flashback while he's talking to Optimus about the binding, it'll be in Chaos Theory #2.

    (In my attempts to find the issues in question: "Optimus asked Rodimus what it felt like to interface with the Matrix"
    "what it felt like to interface with the Matrix"
    "interface with the Matrix"
    Please do not fuck the Matrix)
     
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  18. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Yeah, as far as I remember, there's nothing in canon between left for dead and scavenged by aliens, though the scene where he approaches optimus with the matrix is interesting, and the part where he talks about how it felt is interesting
     
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  19. glitterchance

    glitterchance 34 Vigilant Gaze Engulfs the Void

    If anybody could fuck the Matrix, it'd be Rodimus.
     
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  20. applechime

    applechime "well, you know, a very — a very crunchy person."

    "bonding with it, interfacing with it -- whatever the acceptable term is these days -"
     
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