Eid al-Fitr

Discussion in 'General Chatter' started by Mattias, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. wes scripserat

    wes scripserat Hephaestus

    I can understand that.
    it's difficult to be visibly atheist and so I don't really get a lot of flack. Though of course there's similarly in experience with regards to unusual gender presentstion/performance, or being outspoken about sexuality.
    I'm not saying these experiences are similar, a person's religion and sexuality are very different parts of who they are, but I'm trying to come up with an experience I can relate with as a white trans guy in the west.
    i'll pray as well for you though I dunno if my gods can help.
    and the concern trolling is just...
    like I get creeped out by women saying "I wear my hijab for I am want to be the sole property of my husband" which I have seen some places online?
    But I know that's not why a lot of women wear it so I ask instead of judging, and try to learn instead of leaping to the "defense" of people who don't necessarily want to be defended.
    I know. I still don't like that it happens to good people for bsy reasons though
     
  2. Mattias

    Mattias Well-Known Member

    No you're not wrong. Being visibly trans or non-conforming isn't exactly the same because it's a different axis of oppression, but you get a lot of shitty comments and pushback and even violence for being trans. And discrimination at work or having trouble with transphobic doctors and stuff like that. There's a comparison to be made there.

    OMG someone said that??? *facepalm* That's totally not what hijab is for! Sometimes people are just wrong. I've seen Muslims saying really dumb things on the internet, every group has a subset like that unfortunately.

    Yeah not white knighting unless you know someone wants the help is a good idea.
     
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  3. wes scripserat

    wes scripserat Hephaestus

    Yeah. But even then that depends on where you are.
    I'm not out so I can't really claim that possible oppression though.

    Yeah. I guess. It isn't (I'm entirely ignorant) that? That doesn't surprise me. I just see a lot of stuff online that definitely reads as trying to be Muslim without understanding what that means
    For example a flip out on tumblr saying that people who didn't tag zodiac stuff were islamophobic.

    I feel like a lot of it also comes from just respecting people's agency. I dunno?
     
  4. Mattias

    Mattias Well-Known Member

    K, I am sending those people to gay baby jail. Muslims are not allowed to go to a fortune teller and have their fortunes told because only God can know the future...but that's not what a zodiac is. They're like "what sort of fruit tree are you." I don't see them much so I can't remember any more, but they're totally harmless. Muslims shouldn't believe that the stars can tell them anything about who they are or what their future is, because again only God can know those things, but even then, if you see a zodiac or a horoscope just scroll past it! There's no sin in seeing something like that. And even if you do briefly think "oh I'm a Libra, I am totally like that" just say oops and ask for forgiveness, you're fine.

    There was a post going around saying that you had to tag zodiacs because Muslims would be committing a major sin or going to Hell or something if they saw them, and I reblogged it explaining why it was wrong every time I saw it, but people kept passing it around and yelling at other people if they disobeyed it. Bad arguments dressed up in social justice language are popular on Tumblr for some reason. There were posts like that about Ramadan too, also totally wrong, that happens every year.

    That's a good point, I think you're right.
     
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  5. Mattias

    Mattias Well-Known Member

    I'm out and people haven't been that bad. But I don't work. Lots of transphobic comments from random people and doctors who should know better though. And people in public yelling at me stuff like "ARE YOU A WOMAN OR NOT??" That's kind of scary lol.
     
  6. wes scripserat

    wes scripserat Hephaestus

    I love this term.
    Why would that necessitate forgiveness? Isn't it more noting coincidences then really believing anything?
    Just out of curiosity.

    :D
     
  7. wes scripserat

    wes scripserat Hephaestus

    Yipes that is scary
     
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  8. Lissiel

    Lissiel Dreaming dead

    Ive never been strongly religious, but i used to wear long sleeves/skirts and headscarves a lot like my ultraorthodox cousins do because a)its pretty and some days honestly fuck doing my hair, b) i like the way it desexualizes me. Like fuck you my body is not public propery you dont automatically deserve to see any part of it I dont want to show, and you dont get an opinion on what my body is like. There's no "look at her tits" or "why didnt she shave" or "wow her thighs are big" because its just not anyones business??? and c) i feel more comfortable physically in that style. Like, idk it just feels good to be neatly tucked away and covered up, I dont have to be constantly thinking about my body and how do i sit modestly and am i leaning too far forward or whatever. I can just get on with my day.

    This is 100% not the same as hijab but its some reasons why people might choose to dress like that and i really wish it were more acceptable in the west. :( I havent had anyone actually attack me, but my mom made me take off my overshirt and headscarf when i was with her because "you're embarrassing me what are people going to think," and Ive had neighbors concern troll. The "my body is public property" thing is I think a thing anyone afab is going to recognise but it just. Really hit a chord with me. Dat me, dat my life.

    (/edit: also i prayed for you and you friends, which i hope was ok as a non-muslim, and got in turn "people are assholes, all you can do is do what you feel is right and try to forgive the ones who lash out at you. They're scared and hurt too." "If someone tries to mess with you then FUCK THEM UP." And "get one friend to come along who likes to wear miniskirts. Lets REALLY confuse the bigots." It made me laugh. I hope its uneventful and fun for you guys though.)
     
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