shitposting rave 4: (almost) anything goes

I d9n't see h9w engaging tr9lls as equals and pr9viding them the 9pp9rtunity t9 de6ate their 6eliefs instead 9f inf9rming them that they c9uldn't p9ssi6ly understand it and it w9uld never 6e relevant t9 them anyways s9 why d9n't they g9 6ack t9 playing with their d9lls, despite them n9t enj9ying d9lls in the slightest, is recreating culling. There is n9 p9wer im6alance here stemming fr9m me playing a r9le that w9uld 6e far 6etter suited t9 a lusus.

Y9u seem t9 have a very warped view 9f culling. My culler was very attentive t9 my pr96lems, t9 the p9int 9f c9mically exaggerating every small issue. I was n9t all9wed t9 g9 9utside, 9n the 9ff-chance I had f9rg9tten t9 take my medicati9n 9n that particular night and w9uld catch c9ld and die even earlier. Every acti9n I t99k was gawked at as th9ugh I was a particularly talented leafr9ast mudcylinder 6ark6east. I w9uld have significantly preferred t9 have 6een c9nsidered physically 9r em9ti9nally fit f9r de6ate 9r any s9rt 9f inf9rmati9n whats9ever.

I asked her t9 tag them, actually, and explained that I underst99d the purp9se 9f reclaiming slurs 6ut did n9t wish pe9ple t9 6e f9rced t9 hear them when said slurs c9uld remind them 9f 6ad experiences they have suffered. Y9u are welc9me t9 have whatever 9pini9n y9u wish 9f me, 6ut please d9 n9t argue with a strawtr9ll.

 

:33 Karkitty! *Pouncegreets!*

:33 I have treat fur mew tiny kitten! *gives the mi treats and pets it*

 

"As you Will, so it shall be. But not here, darling. I don't want that Decepticon selling our sex tapes."

 

-snrk-

 

[Lil] Is that- how did you just.... Enochian gives me way too many headaches to just -handwave- speak it.

 

Hello Karkat!! * does not pouncegreet, as two might be a bit overwhelming *

 

I kno+w we do+n't exactly always get alo+ng. Or ever get alo+ng if I'm being ho+nest with myself. But I just want to+ say that I'm so+rry this is happening. Or that that happened. Which I guess, wasn't exactly a thing I had any part o+f o+r co+uld sto+p. I still feel a need to+ apo+lo+gize tho+ugh. And I'm no+t even go+ing to+ o+ffer that we talk abo+ut this in so+me so+rt o+f jam sessio+n because I kno+w yo+u're no+t co+mfo+rtable with it. Yo+u're no+t the same, Kankri. And I do+n't think yo+u wo+uld be given the chance.

 

Lissa grins at her. "They don't call me the Scarlet Woman for wearing too much makeup."

 

WARN A GUY BEFORE YOU POUNCE, JEEZ

MY ASS ISN'T BUILT FOR HIGH-IMPACT COLLISIONS, I CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH BEFORE MY BONES SHATTER

[he waves from beneath the other nepeta]

 

Honestly curious then, because I still do not see a difference.

Not what I heard, but ok!
Because you continue being obtuse and ignoring like, every point that was actually brought up in favor of talking more.

But to rephrase my wording -- Is policing someone's usage of words and continually demeaning people just because their speech isn't as polished as the crown of the fucking Empress really the hill to die on? Because that shit won't help anyone.

 

And that interacts with any of the points I raised in what way?

 

Ok? So+ everything Kankri just said? That's true. That's all incredibly true. Kankri might co+ndescend. He might no+t give me actual co+nsideratio+n and time. He might try to+ po+lice ho+w I speak. But he didn't take me fro+m my hive and away fro+m my custo+dian. He didn't physically manhandle me because I wasn't behaving. He didn't put me in a dress that was o+f just the right level o+f unfo+rtunate po+o+r jadeblo+o+d and then parade me in fro+nt o+f his highblo+o+d friends like I was so+me kind o+f zo+o+ exhibit.

I'm no+t saying that he's right in ho+w he acts. I'm saying that he isn't the same as a system that says it was o+k that a purpleblo+o+d co+uld creep after me even as my tempo+rary custo+dian because he pitied po+o+r little Po+rrim who+ was literally incapable o+f understanding ro+mance at all apparently.

So+, no+, I do+n't really think he has to+ engage yo+ur po+ints right no+w.

 

:33 H33h33! I will be purrful, purromise! Are mew dead Karkitty? And have mew seen any of our furiends around?

 

I feel I sh9uld p9int 9ut that what is 9ccurring here is, 9n a min9r level, "c99lsplaining". Y9u, a tr9ll c99ler-6l99ded than I, al6eit n9t with intensity, 6eing 9nly "9live", are attempting t9 talk 9ver me a69ut an aspect 9f casteist 9ppressi9n y9u have never experienced. While I have n9t attempted t9 6e c9ndescending in any way, I rec9gnize that my w9rds may have c9me 9ff as such and deeply ap9l9gize f9r the misunderstanding. Culling is a s9cietal attempt t9 disenfranchise 9ff-spectrum and genetically variant tr9lls and theref9re cann9t ever 6e c9mpared t9 the w9rds 9f a single marginalized tr9ll. This is n9t t9 say that I d9 n9t have privilege in 9ther areas, 9f c9urse, such as all9romantic privilege, cis6l99ded privilege, et cetera, 6ut I am still a culling victim with little t9 n9 s9cial capital.

It's alright, P9rrim, this merely pr9vides a perfect 9pp9rtunity t9 cast s9me shad9w int9 the glaring wasteland 9f ign9rance. I h9pe that with en9ugh lengthy discussi9n, I and this y9ung w9man can c9me t9 an understanding a69ut h9w my acti9ns relate t9 culling. I d9u6t she fully understands the c9mplexities and nuances 9f 6ef9ran culling and I welc9me a de6ate am9ng learned tr9lls.

I am willing t9 pr9vide transcripts 9f everything I say if y9u have any s9rt 9f hearing impairment 9r audit9ry pr9cessing impairment, s9 d9n't feel shy if y9u 6elieve that w9uld increase understanding 6etween us.

Y9u stated that the p9ints y9u listed were what made my manner similar t9 that 9f a culler's. H9wever, n9ne 9f th9se were related t9 culling in any way, and I explained h9w culling actually 9ppresses tr9lls. Frankly, y9u c9mparing my experience t9 simply disagreeing with my meth9ds is insulting and 6elittling 9f what I have 6een thr9ugh. Imagine if I t9ld a surviv9r 9f the Alternian lime6l99d gen9cide that them 6eing aggressive was exactly the same as their entire caste 6eing wiped 9ut?

W9rding is incredi6ly imp9rtant, as the language in a s9ciety is what ties it t9gether and dictates its values. If a society's 9nly w9rd f9r a gr9up 9f pe9ple is als9 an insult, what d9es that say a69ut the s9ciety itself? We must 6e incredi6ly careful 9f the w9rds we select and ready t9 ap9l9gize at any time sh9uld we mistakenly 9ffend s9meone.

 

"Porrim, I'm sorry, but that all happened long before any of us met him and we're not responsible for it. I don't know this person--" she waves at Kite-- "but I understand their frustration. Kankri doesn't listen to anything anyone else says any longer than it takes for him to come up with a formulaic response in jargon hardly anyone else understands!" Gwendolyn sighs. "In that respect, and in no way similarly to the creepy creep who creeped on you, he is doing to us what was done to him--not what was done to you."

Gwendolyn takes a deep breath. "Look, I know I'm a Reedie to the bone, and it shows, but I'm a Reedie from Gravity Falls, and intersectionality means that you have to listen to people who don't have the same kinds of privilege you have, and at the very minimum, believe what they're telling you about what people do and the way that it makes them feel. Kankri makes everyone around him feel stupid until they figure out that it's all just jargon piled on more jargon. That's what Ford's terrible joke was about! He really does sound like a bad PhD in Philosophy! I totally respect your experiences, but Kankri does not respect anyone. Maybe that's not his fault. Maybe he never experienced being on the other side of respect. But that doesn't give him the right to treat everyone else like naughty children and hold them to standards he hasn't even explained while refusing to listen to anyone else's experiences! He needs to shut up and listen and pay attention to you and to everyone else and accept that his experience is not universal. I am a very privileged person. I'm white, cis, upper class, extremely well-educated, and probably mostly straight, except maybe for Jezebel, but we're still figuring out what that is. And I haven't been made to feel like my thoughts and feelings are unimportant. But that also means I recognise that he's trying to do that to the rest of us!"

She turns to Kankri.

"And bro? It's not gonna fly."

 

I'M NOT DEAD, SHOCKINGLY. AND I'VE ONLY SEEN SOME BEFORANS IN HERE, AND THEN KANAYA AND TEREZI AND I ARE ALL STILL OK OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER THIS PLACE IS. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE HUMANS NOW. HORRIFYING, I KNOW

ASKING IF YOU'RE DEAD IS PROBABLY A STUPID QUESTION BUT A GUY CAN DREAM

 

Anyway, kill all trolls.

 

Point taken on the first part, but I also consider it extremely condescending of you to immediately jump to conclusions just because someone didn't catch a line in your speech waterfalls.

 

Can we please just no+t?

 

First of all, what (gestures to Gwendolyn) she said. She is right, I hope? If not, I apologize--

But at the core of both of it is disrespect and condescension for everyone else. Kankri here might not have had the societal standing and leverage, but the underlying behavior is at the very least worryingly similar.