Shitposting Rave OOC Content Controversy

i don't really care whether or not many people actually want to continue that sort of stuff or not, it was mostly used as an example of something that would belong an overflow thread.

i'm not interested myself, and i don't pretend to know who is, i just don't think stuff like the cat dick discussion belongs in general spr

 

The problem I'm having is now I'm kind of scared to play certain characters since now idk where the line is. :/

 

Well, I do, because she was asked about and was discussing basic bodily anatomy, not kink. She may be the cuddliest slut in the Falls, but she was also not saying anything she wouldn't have said ten years ago to Tate, Jezebel, Mason and Alex.

Is this an example of how female pleasure is automatically considered NC17 because she mentioned having had the ovulatory orgasm, without which her daughter (and her species) would not exist? Because it is actually like a scientific fact that cats ovulate during mating.

 

While I don't think discussion of anatomy is particularly inappropriate, you have a tendency to write young characters as older than they are. Dipper and Mabel sound like some 19-year-old on Tumblr.

 

Also I'm super fucking uncomfortable about being in an environment where eating kittens behind a spoiler and talking about performing genocide and eating children and destroying entire societies is just fine and dandy but catte seventh-grade sex ed is a problem.

Like, sorry for the bold and italic but I cannot emphasise this enough.

 

Er, well, they did just live through a war that was much worse than the canonical version and they live with trolls *shrug*

I honestly don't write them as much older than I sounded when I was their age. Not that I can prove that because the internet didn't exist back then.

 

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I agree with this, and considering I do not agree with cT on very many things...

 

You might be surprised, we haven't talked about everything there is to agree or disagree about. I thought most of our disagreements were about game play, not like major life issues :)

 

Yeah, I think @cryptoThelematrix has pinpointed exactly what makes me uncomfortable about this particular situation. Discussion of brainwashing, violence, genocide, war, experimentation, drugs, etc. seem to be fine with a spoiler, but what I would consider non-graphic discussion of genitals, behind a spoiler or not, is not okay? Like I said, I will take into account wishes expressed here in the future. But while the spr is not an 18+ space, there has been a lot of discussion of non-sexual things that people may find disturbing and that a lot of would not be acceptable in your average office workplace. This sudden focus on non graphic discussion of sex as completely inappropriate feels very stifling in light of things that have gotten a pass behind spoilers before. (To be clear, I'm fine with all that stuff behind spoilers as long as it doesn't get explicit, and I will spoil discussion of genitals in the future.)

 

Yeah I mean @Ipuntya is allowed to have their own opinion about what's inappropriate but holy shit the Clown? Genie?

Sorry they go way up higher on my 'not appropriate for children and other living beings' list than Lissa and Norm and Wrench and Wiretap and everyone else involved in those conversations.

Also, I did spoil Lissa talking about cat junk.

I didn't spoil the claws bit because I didn't think anyone could possibly object to something so obviously factual as 'claws are dangerous'.

 

This and what ct pointed out are why i refuse point blank to spoiler my shit. Im not going to.

 

Part of the reason this situation has me super freaked out (and I am super freaked out right now) is that I consider my RP standards much tamer than those of a lot of the other people in this group and there are lots of things that happen in SPR that I wouldn't permit in WT. Incidentally, they do not come from the bots, I don't want the bot players to worry about that, because I did initially have trouble with the sudden dramatic rise in angst but I don't now.

*shrug* I don't run games for obviously malicious characters, for one thing.

 

Also this isn't even new, the Jaegers have been asking people they just met if they want to fuck for over a year, without spoilers, and it has never been a problem because the fucking was off screen.

SPR has never been sex free, ever. It has always been explicit content free. If someone is bothered by unspoilered mentions that people have sex and anatomical information, this space may not be the right fit for them and that is okay. (In my opinion anyway--I don't run this game.)

I've questioned if it's the right fit for me due to all the malicious behaviour in that I don't want to play any character as a non villain who wouldn't find it upsetting, but things have got better since I brought it up.

 

imo i think the vague allusions or statements about nsfw stuff that people have been doing so far is fine. elaborate, explicit discussion of cat genitalia is laying it on way too thick

i said the cat dick discussion, don't put words into my mouth. there was heavy, unspoilered discussion of cat dicks.

they are topics that are very triggery and distressing, but they are not nsfw, as was the unspoiled cat dick discussion. it all should be spoilered, at the very least. i do think that the explicit sexual topics belong in an overflow thread, but it should all be spoilered, failing that

like i said, i feel like the current discussion went too far. i'm totally fine with spoiling certain topics if it bothers people and a rule is added for it, but in the absence of that until now, i've only spoilered non-vague nsfw stuff and references to the two most triggery topics on this forum: abuse and sexual assault

shit i've been learning about war and genocide since the fourth grade, if genie is inappropriate for children then they better lock my former social studies teachers up

the clown is a series of very crude jokes that i don't really play much at all anymore outside of the occasional one-off joke since people started actively pressuring me not to. but the closest he ever really got to sexual topics was by telling bad jokes and making innuendo. the clown toes the line with the offensive humor, but i don't consider him having crossed it in the same way the unspoilered discussion of cat dicks has

 

I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said, but. +1 to "where is the line of Inappropriate Interaction?" Like. Just using my own characters' recent interactions: Wiretap's singular nonspoiled addition to Cat Dick Discussion, "some people would consider pain a good thing, the universe is a big place and people are varied" is... somehow Worse than Afterglow, ten or twenty pages back, describing in semigraphic detail how he tortured and killed an NPC? If we want to make The Rule "spoiler every discussion of genitalia and/or sex," okay, fine, I'll obey, but... I remain Confused.

 

I'm sorry there's been pressure for you to not play one of your characters. Personally, I find a lot of the things he does disturbing so have the account on ignore. I can't speak for @cryptoThelematrix, but what I find disturbing about the clown has nothing to do with sexuality. I was very uncomfortable with the time the clown took a canon transformers character and used his body as a HONK mech, for example, because in their continuity that was like controlling a dead body. I didn't say anything at the time for reasons I don't now recall - I think I had the clown ignored at the time so I only saw the honk mech posts and had to go back for context. Again, that's content I would be fine with if spoiled - I don't remember if it was or not, because it was quite a while ago - but I do remember there being details about the suffering the character was having. That was the kind of thing I found uncomfortable about interacting with the clown.

What I'm objecting to, in general, is the focus on sex as the only inappropriate thing. Now that I know about your discomfort as well as seeds' (not pinging because I don't want him (edit: guessing at pronouns, please correct if wrong) to feel dogpiled) I will take that into account, but I don't think sexuality should be the only thing considered as uncomfortable or 18+ content.

 

I don't see why the cat dick discussion is any worse than a cybertronian or troll going 'oh, we have both! you don't?' It's a general statement of anatomical features of an entire sapient species.

 

Can confirm that the HONK mech thing was what disturbed me about the clown, not anything to do with sex. Graphic descriptions of suffering and a refusal to let it end any way other than death got me.

 

Also, the Clown has been grossly inappropriate. Piloting around a dying sentient person described as being in clear agony? What the frick, Ipuntya, that's clearly 18+.