Shitposting Rave OOC Content Controversy

Yeah. Looks like we've had enough things that crossed different lines of violence, disturbing content, horror to get some of us questioning that rating... And enough sexuality for another, somewhat overlapping group of us. So to have any productive results with that goal, we need to either talk about our own standards, or borrow other standards to discuss and adjust to our liking.

 

(Cody here, this is my not banned from this forum subaccount.)
I´d also stated several times i wanted to know FLs opinion before we go and decide over his head.

Agreed. Again I´d prefer if FL was here since he plays a lot, but failing that standards should at the very least be consistent and explicit.
"Mentions of X" Where X is something very wide like "Sex" or "Body horror" is too vague for me to actually be able to follow even if I agreed with whatever X is.

 

"Sex" and "body horror" are much too vague. I refuse to spoil anything with those just being the broad, vague standards as I do not know where the line is. I also want to state that for me, the worry about having to do shit like that and censor myself is what causes me panic worthy amounts of distress. For me mandatory spoilering of shit across the board is thus unacceptable. I'd rather people just ignore my characters instead.

Also the sole reason I am posting it on this account is because I have this forum blocked on my main account. I'm not really pleased about a conversation involving a hobby of mine being moved somewhere where I can't fucking see it.

 

Yes, you absolutely did. Sorry, the whole thing with Feffie freaked me out because I heard so many stories about cuttlefishgate.

 

I am just no longer willing to sit and watch things like that "honktimus prime" bullshit, characters like itch beating up wigglers because they don't like them, serial sexual harassers giving rape survivors shit, in a situation where because of "rave magic" my characters' only choice is to dissociate and pretend its not happening (unfun at best, triggering at worst) because they cannot actually take any effective action to stop it.

I'm not cool with it, I've never been cool with it, and if these same people are going to turn around and bitch at me because I answered another character's question about the anatomy of my characters' species, they can step the hell off.

 

At this point, I'm looking for input from as wide an array of spr posters as possible. I am not going to make an rule decisions in the next couple days; partly to make sure everyone has time to find words for sharing their perspective and preferences, partly to make sure I don't arbitrarily declare a rule that serves little function.

Right now I'm not interested in talking over anyone's head about what others want, or arguing with each other about how those wants are bad. I want to hear from people what they do and do not want in the game, their preferences in policy, and their preferences/accessibility issues with stuff like using the ignore function, spoiler tags, and having a more defined rule of what is and is not cool to post in the rave.

I'm heading to work, not available for a while.

 

I apologize to the people who have to use subaccounts to post because they're banned from this subforum. I probably requested the move prematurely and should have waited. I didn't want the OOC-thread to be fighty out of fear that it would make it inaccessible to use for its intended purpose, but I should have waited for longer until I had input from more people on the question of whether it should be moved.

That being said, I do agree that largely we had come to an agreement of sorts to aim for vague undefined PG-13 at some point but it likely shifted a good bit. I am personally more uncomfortable with the inconsistence than I am with the tone of the rave but I am likely not a good metric for this, given my general reading habits.

 

I didn't think to specify earlier, distracted with the get ready for work process, but:

If you would have an easier time telling me your preferences in private, via pm, I am okay with you doing so. I want to be sure everyone has an alternative avenue to giving input on this besides this thread. I'm not able or willing to mediate fights at this time, but I can do my best to listen, doublecheck with you that I've understood, and include your view in figuring out what to do here.

If you pm me, please just be aware that I do not always (or often) respond quickly, and also that I will want to ask questions to help me better understand.


Here or in pm: It's okay to say to me that you don't yet have an answer, or that you may never be able to put out to words. If we all knew exactly what we wanted and could articulate it will enough for everyone else to understand, no one would be feeling surprised right now.

I cannot respond well to bring told what I should do, whether it's that I should reassure someone, should make a given rule, or should post a second thread. You want to say that your idea is the best, that's fine. You want to tell me what to do, that's not fine.

(Generic you through this reply.)

 

All I want is for the boundaries to be clearly defined. And absolutely nobody has given me any indication what the boundaries should be
Personally I'm okay with pretending my characters don't see the upsetting thing, because I can ignore accounts if I want and if I don't, which I usually don't, that's on me. It was the sheer hypocrisy that got me in that case; honktimus prime was somehow fine, but cat dicks weren't, and the only reason that seemed to be being given was that the player of honktimus thought it was ok. Well, the players of the cat dicks thought it was ok too.
I honestly don't care if the rave is made to be actively fucking G-rated (though I probably won't use it as much if it is) SO LONG AS THE RULES AND BOUNDARIES ARE CLEAR.

 

*nods* Yeah. Part of what I want to hear is what people's personal boundaries are, so I've got notions where to put the rave's.

 

Can we please move this discussion back to the ooc thread. I am unwilling to continue discussing this in this thread. Please bring it back to the main thread. I hate this fucking board and refuse to stay here i want to go back so i dont have to fucking come in on a subaccount and talk about the policy of something im involved with.

 

As much as I appreciate your viewpoint I don't want it back in the actual ooc. We need that for something OTHER than pointless, circular arguing.

ETA: by which i mean if it's moved out of this board i'd prefer a new thread, not 'don't move it'.

 

Please can we move it back i cant stand this board. I do not like this. O want to cry. Please can we move it back.

 

Ot make another thread there. I dont like this board. I dont like having to come here and were just going to change things and i wont be here to see it because i hate this fucking board and no one cares.

 

Its still an ooc thing and it will change things please fucking go back.

 

My boundaries go like this.

1) If I have to see it, I'm not okay with having to pretend my characters didn't see it. Spoiler that shit so I can at least pretend there's a privacy barrier.
2) Regarding sex: I don't personally actually care if there's an 8 way consensual gangbang going on in the rave as long as it's consensual and I'm not forced to participate, but I understand why we have to be nsfw and I really like fade-to-black because I do not want to be expected to write the porn with people I don't know.
3) I do not want to have to watch other people's characters beat up little kids or disabled people or generally bully people who can't do anything about it unless my characters can at least attempt to kick their asses without "rave magic" getting in the way. This very much includes taking over other people's bodies and killing them horribly. I do not want to have to sit and drink tea and pretend I don't hear someone bragging about how they raped someone or harassing a character who is a rape survivor about "complaining about free sex". Personally I feel that in an established RP that's free of horribly untrammelled violent sadistic characters you ought to ask the other players if it's OK before dropping one on them. That said, at least Greshan behaves his fucking self, and when your character is worse than Greshan you need to go sit in the corner and think about what you did.
4) I don't ever want anyone to give me shit again about asking a minor where their boundaries are when the IC behaviour of said minor is freaky enough to make it a valid question. If a minor spends lots of time contemplating out loud what the genie's dick looks like, they do not get to make IC noises if the catte answers other people who asked her a question about catte dicks instead of OOC telling me what bothers them, then get white-knighted by uninvolved persons or outright pull the minor card. Not that John for sure did this, but the white-knighting part sure was a thing that happened.
5) If your characters are fucking the minor's characters even behind a fade to black screen you do not get to tell me that I'm being inappropriate with minors for having my character answer questions that aren't even directed at the minor.

If I think of anything else I will add it.

 

I cant do this here.

 

Aon, I really appreciate that you're clearly distressed, but none of us have the ability to actually move the thread right this fucking second. @swirlingflight, can you consider reporting it so it gets moved elsewhere? Edited to clarify: I ask you only because you're de facto leader of this mess
My concern about moving it back to the OOC thread is also that if it keeps going on, people who actually want to talk about what's happening in the SPR right that minute won't be able to, because it will get lost and seem like topic derailing.

 

I'm sorry I just can't fucking deal with this at all. I'll go somewhere else. I don't know. I'm not happy at all lately. I can't deal with things.

 

That's okay, you're allowed, but please right now go and do something to calm yourself down and feel better, okay? You deserve it. We'll try and get the thread moved somewhere you can see it so you can participate properly but we can't do it this instant, so go and have a cup of tea or something. It's okay.