Steve Rogers, CAPTAIN AMERICA & Hydra agent all along

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How Are Retailers Reacting To Secret Empire & Marvel's Hydra Takeover?

This is a really neat little article that really highlights how dumb as hell this whole thing is. good jorb marvel, people are real pleased with this

 

YES THANK YOU GOOD POINT.

 

-the saddest norse heathen-

That's cool... I didn't need a cool nonpolitical interpretation of the myths to become white supremacist propaganda.... AGAIN.... but that's cool....

I wasn't reading it really but can this shit stop coming at me from literally all sides

 

Wow, the 'witnessed' button is so encouraging. Off topic but that was refreshing. Imma go continue venerating Friya in a not supremacist way now.

 

It's almost 100% of why I don't participate in organized heathen anything. There's always going to be at least one white supremacist there, generally more, mostly pretending not to be until you get a few drinks in them and suddenly the world has to hear their opinions.

 

you need to destroy them in honorable combat which they don't deserve

 

Dishonorable combat. Start biting

 

It's more insulting to them if you're honorable, though. That comes with the implicit taunt of "Look how much better than you I am".

 

Another good response to the whole bullshit.

 

Asshole writer update: Apparently Nick Spencer ran for Cincinnati city council a couple of times in the early 2000s, and somebody dug up some of what he campaigned on and blogged about during said campaign. It's. About what you'd expect.

Like, okay, twelve years ago, give people the benefit of the doubt re: change, but I gotta say this really does not make that "Bombshells" crap he pulled look any better.

 

So, if anyone is still paying attention to this - event's over, or at least the main one is, there's of course going to be tie ins for a while. End result for figuring out wtf is going on: Red Skull found the Cosmic Cube's gijinka, raised her to think hydra propaganda, shenanigans of some sort happened, and Steve ended up thrown into a plot hole while CCG made up a fake Steve, who was the one who thought the world was rewritten by the Cube, who has been doing all the evil stuff, and now Real Steve is out of the plot hole and had a very moral punch fight with Nazi Steve.

Soo..... basically none of the actual issues people had with the comic were resolved. A Nazi still got to lift Mjolnir, and we still had Marvel using Nazi imagery for shock value while adamantly ignoring that they were putting these books out in a world where 'what if Nazis are a real threat' is a genuine concern a lot of people have to worry about. For people writing this, 'what if captain america were a nazi' is about as serious as 'what if captain america was a vampire.' but right now 'what if there are nazis in our government' is something people have to at least consider.

They basically handed Cap as a symbol to the white supremacists on a platter, alienated a bunch of fans who want to read about Cap the icon of what's good and right, insulted everyone's intelligence by going 'no this is definitely the real steve' like we all didn't know from the start that they weren't going to do that, used this as shock value for a YEAR, and for what?

A punch fight between good cap and a figment of someone's imagination.

hell, even if you ignore all the political stuff going on right now that makes this poorly-timed at best, it's not even very good as a story. it's pure shock value - evil Steve isn't even a real evil Steve, this doesn't go into what makes Captain America Captain America or how the institutions we rely on to keep us moral and good might go bad, it's just. an evil guy who looks like captain america.

I mean, maybe I missed something that makes it even a little better, as I haven't been reading these, but. I am hoping that someone does a retrospective on the series and why people had problems with it.

 

One of the really irritating things is it hasn't backed off from the nonsense about Hydra secretly having won WWII until the Allies created a Cosmic Cube and used it to rewrite history.

This at least was fixed, it turned out Evil Magic Lady who I don't think was ever explained bewitched Mjolnir to confuse the enchantment, which happens sometimes.

 

Wait, I thought that the Hydra-winning-ww2 wasn't even a reality rewrite, it only happened in the fake memories of fake Steve? god this thing is badly written.

 

Yeah, that's what you'd think, but it's got a bunch of references to Hickman's old Hydra lore and they don't seem to have ever refuted it. It's dumb.

 

Mostly I think Spencer is pretty bitter and in denial about how he's only managed to write The Crossing again twenty years later. He seems to have wanted the event to have a real impact on the Marvel universe but the fact is that the only people staying dead are Coulson, Rick Jones, and about half a million people from Las Vegas who will never be mentioned or referenced again. Black Widow will be alive again before the year's out, and the destruction of Las Vegas will have precisely as much impact as Kang blowing up Washington DC.