ALso while i'm on the subject, I'm not going to say the reason so many ppl are more sympathetic towards one of these characters getting redeemed instead of the other is because she looks like this instead of this but I'm not going to not say it either. >.>
Spoiler i feel like I'm not allowed to be annoyed at people for being all "the First Order is literally Nazis, why do you like Nazis or want a Nazi to have a character arc you literal Nazi" because my reasoning is all. The FO was founded by a black bisexual woman, and its goals and methods have nothing to do with race or gender and more to do with all the bull that dominating a vast intergalactic empire would entail. It might follow in the Empire's footsteps of being really xenophobic or literally reclassifying sapient species as nonsapient for the purposes of gradually increasing acceptance of legalized slavery in the public eye or whatever, but it doesn't really control any territory yet that we've seen so we don't really know how it's gonna do it's deal for sure yet, and other "oh actually if you read the lore bible you'd know--" kinda stuff. Disney has made a real effort to make the FO and the Empire retroactively more diverse, like hell in Star Wars; From a Certain Point of View we got Imperial officers casually referring to nonbinary people, and Tarkin's like bi now, and it's like ???? I dunno! I dunno how ultimately progressive or beneficial that stuff is, but it's there! It's definitely there. like, i feel like i'm being the dickhead kinda fanbrat for getting upset that some of the fans who came in with TFA don't seem to see beyond that film, to the EU and even the OT and the PT. Like, the FO is a carbon copy of the Empire, and if the FO are literally Nazis, then the Empire are literally Nazis, and Vader's whole deal was Star Wars trying to make people sympathize with a literal Nazi, but I don't see people getting mad about that, ever, it's always just the FO and people who give a shit about Kylo or Hux or whoever the fuck who're bad people for liking the thing. it's just bluh and i hate it
i wish people would accept that this shit is subjective rather than trying to bring moral arguments into everything like i'm just as angry as these people at the notion of kylo ren getting a redemption arc but that's because he's a shit character and i don't want to watch another two films about him
Spoiler: this is entirely some petty ass bullshit I'm doing right here. oh my god this is someone's argument that there's in movie evidence that suggests Rey is Han and Leia's kid who got kidnapped at age five, and how fucking convoluted is this bullshit. It'd be the easiest thing in the world to put evidence for Rey Solo in this segment of the film without outright saying Rey's their kid, like holy fuck. They're talking about their son who they lost, and all they'd have to do to set up a Rey Solo reveal would be to have Leia mention something like "i shouldn't have sent him away, not after losing our daughter!" or whatever the fuck. Like, goddamn. This person is trying to argue that Rey was fucking kidnapped, stolen from her parents at age 5, and then that it's totally natural and understandable that they never fucking talk about her in relation to the son who they also "lost"??? In a goddamned movie told by human writers who presumably have at least some basic grasp of storytelling??? Han and Rey had several scenes worth of interactions, and not once did either of them make any sort of, i dunno, expression or statement to suggest that they recognized each other, or Rey recognized her dad's ship, or anything. Fucking, christ alive. for what it's worth, i didn't go looking for shit to get mad at, this person made a whingy post about how people think their dumb theory is dumb and crosstagged it presumably for the sake of picking internet fights.
Spoiler: still petty, still mad This person keeps making arguments that amount to "but what if everyone's lying to us!!! Daisy Ridley is lying when she makes an offhand comment about Rey plainly not being Han's kid, so that we'll all be surprised about when it turns out she is!! Bloodlines, the canon story that depicts events prior to the movie what that happened in Star Wars canon, doesn't mention Leia and Han's youngest kid and that one time she got kidnapped because the Lucasfilms story group were lying to Claudia Grey!! They didn't tell her about Rey, because they wouldn't reveal a spoiler like that in a book,,,,,,, but they did go ahead and tell her to write a book about Leia's pre-TFA life,,,,,, so they could reveal later that a great deal of Leia's emotional state and mindset make no goddamned sense considering the really traumatic and awful thing her family went through eight years or so prior." I'm so mad about this, goddamn. I don't wanna say that cause a thing is shitty writing that it can't happen, cause shitty writing happens, but, like. It'd be shitty writing.
ive finally lost my temper with it enough to post here zabuhaku is not healthy or cute in any possible way and im fucking sick of it being written to be so and 99% of content with those characters is that pairing i suffer
and like - leia and han'd turn the universe upside down to search for her, and they have the Force! that can sense people solar systems away! and 'we both did' is p clearly 'we both went back to the only things we were good at!'
neither of them are hardly ever in character in like, anything anyone writes, pairing or no pairing like, here's the only good meta post on them and it’s so rare to see fic that even acknowledges those dimensions on the characters. Haku actually is more than what Zab wants him to be, and Zabuza definitely has more going on than his relationship to Haku. and like. the vast majority of fic either 1. makes zab a straight up dick with no redeeming qualities or even motivations other than being mean to haku and makes haku a passive victim to be rescued, or 2. uwu saccharine romance, as mentioned above their relationship was tragic as hell because it was complex. you can get that even from the very little we see of them. but nah, they get rendered down to flat tropes
Christ. So even if I wasn't looking for ship shit I'm just boned on finding stuff with their canon dynamic being explored.
I mean...I’m sure there’s something...somewhere...I don’t remember anything in Haku or Zabuza’s AO3 tags standing out to me in particular, and nothing on FF.net either (which is still where most of naruto fic lives sadly) That’s why I never shut up about the two of them, I generate all the content I want myself lmao
Truly we must become the few doing shit for them. I need to write like. Angsty weird bullshit poetry for them or something.
Spoiler: embarrassing (to me, like, I'm embarrassed how annoyed I am) There's this one post going around about how a hypothetical post redemption Kylo Ren shouldn't go back to calling himself Ben Solo because he "killed" Ben Solo and he can never return to what he once was, and it'd be regressive or some shit, and it's like. You can just go ahead and say you think the name Kylo Ren is sexier. Like, come on. Hey, remember how Vader reacted with anger to Luke calling him Anakin Skywalker, and Luke said, oh right, my bad, you aren't the man you once were and can never reclaim that name, I'll just call you Vader from now on because that's who you really are, like symbolically and shit, exactly how you present yourself to be. Remember when Han said, I'd like to see my kiddo's real face, and Kylo was like, nope killed that bitch, and Han said, "oh right, yeah, you did do that, sorry!" Like, this is some basic bitch symbolism, my dudes.
Tumblr post: "Everyone in [canon] is gay except [character A] and [character B] bc they don’t deserve it." my eternal nemesis returns >:( Like. In this case most of the post in question is pretty clearly silly fun and I don't care if people are having fun with that (even if I twitch at "gay" when some of them would obviously be bi dammit), but there is steam coming out of my ears at that part. Really. Really? Fandom could retroactively stop doing this before the Big Bang and it would still not be soon enough.
Oh man yeah the 'oh man all these characters are gay' when some of them are canonically bi photosets have become a bane of my existence lately.
