My beef with it is more, like. I used to see humanstuck headcanons and shit where every character was their own unique and obscure combination of marginalized identities, except Vriska or whoever the writer plainly disliked, who'd be cishet and white. Like being gay or trans or any sorta minority is a ticket to an exclusive club of people who you have to empathize with or something. The bi erasure in fandom thing is a different, equally obnoxious dealie, tho.
Because of that gay/bi/lesbian distinguished/functional/disaster meme? Friend of mine linked me to one of those the other day that was for Ace Attorney and didn't include A N Y of the female characters who are heavily implied to be romantically involved with/interested in other women. Like, they were not on the chart at all.
The same one also had Phoenix shoved off into a corner not even in any of the sexuality columns, which is bizarre because he's the essence of "bi disaster."
It bothers me that it feels like there used to be the one queer character and so you had to fight other queer people for that tiny bit of representation. And now it feels like there’s never going to be enough that we don’t have to fight even if the entire cast of everything is queer forever. It’s not any one instance of “everyone is gay” or “everyone is bi” or whatever. I’m all in favor of people getting to have their ideal dream cast or headcanon. It’s just everything together plus some background tension manifesting as hostility I guess.
oh i'm mostly talking about DC Bombshells, where Mera and Diana have had happy romantic relationships both with each other and other men, yet are counted as being gay instead of bi or pan. But yeah I have seen those done with definitely bi characters in the gay or lesbian space.
Spoiler: off topic Entirely not what we're talking about right now, but there's this article that came out talking about how women in Star Wars don't need romance, because romance demeans women or something, and one of the things they talked about was Jyn and Cassian's relationship, and just. Just to be pedantic, they start making "googly eyes" at each other before Scariff, when Cassian recruits a small army to help Jyn fufill her father's last wishes, and Jyn goes "oh, my abandonment issues" and Cassian goes "you make me wanna be a better dude," like. you dingus, were you not paying attention? It could still be forced or badly handled, but if certainly wasn't a last minute sorta thing. Secondly, yes, what a feminist hot take on Rogue One. Jyn shouldn't be defined by her relationship with a man! She should be defined solely by her relationship to her dad!! Thirdly, it's also super feminist to assert that none of Jyn's characterization beyond her relationship with Cassian was relatable. I mean, who ever heard of a woman with, like, abandonment issues or whatever? And saving that kid that one time, that was very unlikable. And that thing where she was forced to confront one father figure who'd hurt and abandoned her and seeing his side of the story before watching him die, and then trying desperately to save Galen before any chance of reconciliation gets cut brutally short, that was just like super dull, my dudes. What even was Jyn's motivation throughout the film, I couldn't tell! Really, the romance was all she had going for her! And finally, "I rebel" is the single most obnoxious way to end that paragraph.
I have a report from a friend who hangs out on the FFA Discord that someone was complaining about Oathbringer because there wasn't enough "moral certainty." The entire point of the series has clearly flown so far over their head that I can't even be mad. It's just funny.
Like, there are at least four major levels of Hilariously Wrong here: Spren are living concepts. The primary magic system in the Stormlight Archive involves a sentient spren bonding with a person who embodies and strives toward that concept. By objecting to the spren caring about different things, this person is essentially objecting to the narrative saying that people construct their ideas of morality in different ways. The "lies or facts" spren are the Cryptics, associated with the Order of Lightweavers. One of the most central characters is a Lightweaver, and what she and her Order contribute both philosophically and tactically should have been really obvious even before this book dropped and during the climax she Spoiler creates an entire illusory army to keep an enemy army occupied. Spoiler: Not exactly a spoiler but just in case As was already established in earlier books, entire species of sentient spren were wiped out by the people they were bonded to breaking their oaths in the past. These are beings as intelligent as humans. It makes perfect sense that many of the remaining ones are kinda bitter about genocide. The poster also appears to have missed that the ones who "care about honor" are among those who were really mad about the situation, and the MC honorspren is the only one who bonded someone, and had to run away from home and disobey their leadership to do it. Spoiler: Actually a spoiler One of Oathbringer's themes that it hits you over the head with is that everyone is a person just trying to do their best and that the "enemy" are also just ordinary people who've been hurt and oppressed and had everything taken away from them. The Scary Forces of Evil are, in fact, the native species of the planet whose land humans stole, culture they annihilated, SENTIENCE they removed, and who humans enslaved for millennia and treated like beasts of burden. The narrative makes it very clear that they have every right to be angry, and the Order of Skybreakers- the ones who dedicate themselves to an external moral code because human judgement is fallible and they believe that only by applying the same rules consistently to everyone can justice be achieved- mostly sides with them, because legally, this land was theirs first and it was stolen from them. So that's a second case of "HOW DARE PEOPLE BE MAD ABOUT GENOCIDE???" Basically, this person clearly wants shonen protagonists to be the only type of hero and wants them conquering the Forces of Evil with Shonen Protagonisthood, and have somehow missed that that is not going to be what this story is about.
So this isn't exactly a gripe but. There's a site online where you can send in questions to Greg Weisman. The backlog is like... most of a year? but you can ask and get an answer. Some things are offlimits - mostly spoilers for future episodes - but it can be fun to archive-binge. And look at future questions. Because there is so much gold in there. For some reason people are super hung up on Miss Martian and Beast Boy being siblings. Also the amount of times people have sent in 'so who's going to be in the next season' is baffling. But. Yesterday. Someone sent in this. I remind you that this is being sent to the showrunner of the program they are talking about. beautiful.
I don't even know how to rate that. The question by itself would have struck me as kinda unnecessary but somehow the statement after that made it hilarious.
like... do you think that a) showrunners are willing to remove entire characters just for the asking b) wh... why would removing a second character make it fair. do you think your opinion matters at all, or that greg dislikes captain marvel, or that showrunners are just itching for an excuse to take out characters they themselves added. this user's name was Marvelman, btw, so i'm figuring that he's a captain marvel fan, but like. is this supposed to be generous. do you think that this is a bargain where he takes someone you hate but also takes away your fave to make it even.
No, it's not at all a nice thing to say. It's probably not a fun thing to read, and I'm not happy someone sent it to them. It's just so extra at that point that I guess I have a hard time taking it seriously anymore. It's just so.... extra. So extra.
i mean if it helps, there's mods on the forum who'll probably delete it long before the showrunner ever sees it. (though if i were them i'd be a bit more judicious with the deleting, considering the sheer amount of 'give me blatant spoilers for season 3/here is my wishlist for season 3/reassure me that my ship will happen in season 3' asks that get sent in. )
Yeah, depressing the hell out of the creative team with over the top criticism and badgering is... probably not at all constructive. To anyone. Good storytelling probably doesn't come from a place of mortal fear of the audience unless you're literally Scheherazade.
I don't know if this is the right thread, but I seem to be about the only person who finds this upsetting in the Homestuck fandom and I'm deeply annoyed by that; Jane's dad is not John's dad. They apparently look the same, but if they're the biological offspring of the respective ecto-grandparents then they can't possibly be genetically identical because John and Jane presumably aren't. Okay, one of them might be trans so they have the same chromosomal arrangement and could have both been the respective "father" or "mother" (there's not really any non-offensive way to put that, is there?) but their eyes are still a different colour and it's doubtful they would have reproduced with the Scratch-side variations of the same non-ectoclone person. If they're adopted (which is likely, considering the age their parents would have had to be when they were born) there are still problems. Their worlds were similar, but not The Same, so goodness knows what kind of little differences would crop up. They didn't raise the same kid and weren't raised by the same parent, and Jane's dad doesn't know John as a young person at all. What I guess I'm saying is, Jane's dad should not perfectly replace John's dad as if there was no difference, and I don't buy that happy ending with John running into Dad's arms at all. People accept that Dirk isn't Bro, what's going on here?
i remember people being upset about that at the time but idk that people generally want to talk about the ending to homestuck at all but i agree, theyre not the same person and its a fuckin joke that john got to hug jane's dad but jane didn't
This is a good part of why I hate the SU fandom so much. yes i'm still bitter about the lauren zuke thing
I concluded after the ending of HS that I adore the characters but hate the canon plot. It's confusing and the ending is so random and half-assed, I feel like the dead characters who didn't get to come back were unfairly dealt with since it's already established that some of the cast have powers that can bring the dead back to life, plus I miss when Gamzee's motives at least looked like they were going to eventually make sense instead of just LOL EVIL. Though to be honest, I think HS was so complicated and built-up that no ending could possibly have been satisfying. I know that feeling and it's why I'm so shit at actually finishing my own works. The Dad situation just hits me as very In Spite of a Nail in the same way as the Harry Potter fic In This World And The Next, in which Harry and Hermione travel back in time for stupid reasons and try to "fix" their whole story, starting with hooking up Lupin and Tonks several years earlier and assuming a) it will go fine and b) any child they have several years earlier and in circumstances that are now completely different will be genetically and psychologically identical to the canon Teddy Lupin.
I mean, the death thing would have meaning in a setting which didn't have powers of bringing people back to life, and I guess it was established that Life powers can only do so once for each person. But surely there are living versions of everyone in at least one timeline somewhere, and some creative use of Terezi's Mindy Thing would probably sort out a matching set of memories for everyone. There's probably a fraymotif which could merge all the alt-selves of each person in the new universe. When Death Is Cheap it seems kind of stupid to leave so many people in death.
