The world doesn't work like that, though. It's a cruel and horrible place where a "I'm not called Wallace the Well-digger" joke is perfectly accurate. Heck, just look at how people get on the SORegistry and then how miserable the rest of their lives are. Look at anyone who's been in jail for anything.
There is no reason why fiction has to accurately reflect reality. In fact the goal is very often to not do that and instead portray things if they were better. If people get the second chances they deserve if they're willing to try and be better. Fiction portrays these things both as an escapist fantasy (i've personally used MLP episodes as cute pick-me-ups when i had bad day because they're adorable and kind and sometimes that's the bandaid my soul needs) and as a blueprint of how people should treat each other. It's idealized but that doesn't mean that it doesn't involve valuable lessons. Redemption arcs are important story devices for a reason.
And that's just simply not what Steven Universe is about. It's an optimistic to a fault, pastel children's show that's supposed to be uplifting. I don't know why you are looking to this of all the shows out there for a bleak pessimistic outlook on reintegrating convicted felons into society for.... some reason?????? Also jsyk the bringing up of the Sexual Offender Registry (I assume??? I'm esl and I'm guessing at the abbreviation) out of left field is a pretty uncalled for escalation when 'look at anyone who's been in jail for anything', your literal next argument, is a lot more relevant to Bismuth's case, and less likely to tread on people's triggers/make you look like a rape apologist.
I mean, one, that's a matter of opinion, and two, if you hate that then how have you made it through 5 years of a show all about the power of love and forgiveness. Are you just waiting for Steven to go 'oh wait I don't like you guys actually' and take out like half the cast?
yeah I'm just gonna tack on that I don't agree the world is necessarily a cruel and horrible place, thanks. also to maybe stay away from sex offender list comparisons when that's....not really relevant to the current thing happening in SU.
Generally people really don't want to to go from talking about a kid's show about love and redemption to talking about anything involving the phrase "sex offenders". That's really inappropriate.
It's an extreme example, but in some cases it's comparable. Anecdotally, there are people on the list that don't deserve to spend the rest of their lives being barred from living places, or picking their children up from school, or just having to fear that some vigilante is going to hurt them. I know a homeless guy whose stepdaughter could have lied about what happened 15 years ago. It's possible to get on the list if someone saw you peeing against a tree.
But that had nothing at all to do with Bismuth's situation. Nothing What. So. Ever. And of course vigilante numbnuts murdering people on a sex offender list is a bad thing too, but the fact that you jump to that when this was about 'Wow Steven Universe, the literal half alien personification of giving people second chances sure did give Bismuth the benefit of the doubt after she tried to murder him.' really feels like you just really want to talk a whole bunch about how unfair it is that people end up on sex offender registries for doing things people find uncomfortably sexual without consent. Which is rape apologia, plain and simple. Please fucking stop that.
Multiple people are telling you that what you said was inappropriate. The correct response is probably not to double down and argue that it actually was totally appropriate.
That's not what I'm arguing about. I'm arguing that IRL has nothing to do with what happens in fiction. Yes, I should have argued about how people who attempt murder are not let out of jail to become friends with the people they tried to kill.
i don't think there's any case in Steven Universe, a kids cartoon about nonbinary space rocks, where sex offenders are in any way comparable, my dude also what the actual living fuck
@Greallan this is something i've seen you do multiple times across multiple threads now: when you want to make an analogy or comparison, you compare the thing you're talking about to something that has way higher stakes and is way more emotionally fraught than the original topic. in addition to being inaccurate, this gets people very upset very quickly. it brings up a lot of baggage and emotions that have nothing to do with the original topic when you do this, and it's pretty much always going to derail the conversation. a better approach is to compare the thing to something with much LOWER stakes. one comparison people made a lot in the racism thread was comparing accidental racism to accidentally standing on someone's foot. standing on someone's foot is a very innocuous and de-politicized thing-- there probably aren't many people out there with personal trauma related to accidentally standing on a person's foot-- so you can talk about the base principles at play without bogging down the conversation with exactly these sorts of derails. it's much more productive to distill your analogy down to the simplest thing with the least social, cultural, historical, and political factors surrounding it. invoking such difficult topics as the culture surrounding sex offenders in a discussion about a children's cartoon was always gonna end badly, is what i'm trying to say.
Malachite, somewhat Sardonyx... but yeah, not Bismuth. The rest of it isn't going to change anything even if that girl does admit that she hated his guts.
no one's watching the kids show about living space rocks for realism dude. Bringing sex offenders into this discussion about a kid's show was flat out inappropriate as multiple posters have now told you. The correct thing to do would be to apologize and not do it more.
no one wants to hear about the sex offenders' registry in the su thread, and if you must talk about it there, at least put it under a spoiler for "mentions of sexual assault", greallan. like, if you're talking about sexual assault in fan town, put it under a spoiler, please. you can use as few or many spoilers you want in the dead dove: uncensored thread and the all kinks: uncensored thread and your own vent thread but if you're talking about it in fan town, spoilers, please!
'The world doesn't work that way.' i love when cynicism gets treated like an objective fact even though the awfulness of reality is up for debate and shit also wtf dude stop making these comparisons Like you need to stop making comparisons entirely at this point. You clearly cannot manage it without insulting most of the board so just cut it the fuck out.
