A very significant number of the more egregious posts are, in fact, getting wiggled. What shows up here is the shallow end of the pool. However, your analysis assumes that Greallan takes no actions outside this forum. If she acts elsewhere, then unless her actions here are completely atypical (and she's testified herself that they're not), then the harm continues elsewhere. And here, we try to reduce the amount that we censor things that are only-sort-of harmful, in favor of being able to talk about that harm in ways that may help people do better in the future. And even if she's completely disinterested, discussing why and how these things are harmful may help other people either avoid similar errors themselves in the future, or articulate arguments on the topic better when talking to other people.
Sure. But it addresses them in terms of the way she behaves as a result of having them. I am addressing the fact that her belief is false, and that the false belief in question demonstrably leads to her harming people. I'm not showing my work as much as I might, because she can't read long posts.
G, I'm gonna take a break from one of my favorite internet pastimes of yelling at mods for doing dumb things and talk to you a bit. Then I have to finish my taxes, so not much more from me for a while. It seems to me your hermeneutic of suspicion shown in the themes of your posts is making you kind of sad. Your perception that you live in a world full of fakers and liars and bullies kind of isolates you and harms you. You report that you are engaging in sad and unhealthy behavior like heavy drinking, extreme weight gain, and holding a long not-quite-a-grudge against a fanfic forum. And, to be fair, you are continuing to post here in kind of provocative ways that draw some negative attention. So, How's that working out for you? It looks to me like the answer is, Not so good. I'm not a therapist and unlike some of the folks around here, I do not pretend to be one on the internet. I don't know how to fix your problems and you shouldn't take advice from some guy with a silly avatar on the internet about them. But it sure looks to me that whatever you are doing or not doing about your problems isn't working and is harming you and making you sad. Try something else.
I am interested in things, but I just keep getting attacked. My takeaway from the racism thread is that I'm a racist for trying to talk about it. I want to stop being racist, but there wasn't really a discussion about what it meant. People accuse me of serophobia while not explaining why that's a bad thing. Can anti-vaccers shut down discussions by accusing people of being polio-phobic? I'd bet that if you just called them autism-phobic instead of explaining the flawed study and then explaining that even if it were true autism isn't as bad as polio, you'd get even less traction. I thought this was a safe place to discuss issues, but it seems like you have to be on the underdog side of the discussion not to be labelled horrible. (I think this is why some people might be concerned about Jews. I observed and realized that they're not likely to use their persecution as a tool to infringe on others and be free from criticism. I am starting to see that crop up in other groups, like the people who coopted bopo as a tool to reverse the morality argument against skinny people instead of just dissolving that aspect.) The type of people I'm talking about faking kept fatpeoplestories fairly active until I lost interest. Yeah I don't know the background of these people, but there are things like yelling at someone like they're anger-transfering, or just plain acting like they're the only person that matters. The person had to be a certain personality type, and I'm not sure if that caused them to be so large or if they got that way because of another level of bullying that I don't agree with. My favorite story was about a weeb who managed to fix her tangental problems that also were intertwined with her size while she was in Japan. The other one was about a college student who started coopting someone else's disability for attention. Talking to me? Okay. I was going to just ping that I liked what you were saying, but I wasn't going to directly respond because it would just negate the message. This one is different because you're not talking around me, which I don't mind when it's trying to diffuse things instead of adding fuel to the attacks. What isolates me is that I am living in a world of bullies. Since I grew up without a aspergers diagnosis, people assumed that what should have been natural behaviors was bad. It extended to things like giving me a worksheet that I knew was stupid and pointless if I did my work quickly, and then punishing my defiance if I tried to tell them how much I hated it. I keep not getting properly socialized because people reject me any time I try to do anything other than just isolate myself, and I think studies have shown that isolation causes more problems. As far as provacative. Yes, some issues are thorny and I feel attacked by having a middle ground. Everyone else seems to just snap to "this is the right thing" and getting annoyed when questioned why. There are people on the other side of just about any issue, and it seems like the people who can say something beyond "it just is" is often considered wrong. As far as what to do, therapists are worse than what's happening here. When I talk about being dismissed all of the time, it was several different ones. One kept trying to convince me that I needed a pedicure. Like, how is paying someone to do torturous things to my feet going to fix autism? (or hoarding, but she said I wasn't a hoarder.)
tbh greallan has it right, why accept responsibility for yourself and your improvement when you can just convince yourself that everyone else is the problem!
A very simple thing you can do to reduce conflict on here is to just. Stop bringing up teh joos in situations where they're not relevant.
Just chiming in real quick, I know what you're talking about here and the "Chibi-ham" story was fake as hell. Fake on a "and everyone on the bus clapped" level. Fictional fatlogic wank material in the form of gross inspiration porn isn't evidence of a problem with fat people, just with the people on r/fatlogic.
What rigs said about the hermeneutic of suspicion is accurate, and I don't think there's anything else I can usefully say at this point.
There was a literal reading list provided to you on the first page of that thread you may want to go back and look at that.
I think you're being sarcastic? But you do have a point. Why are you hating on me and then telling me that hating on people for that reason is wrong. I know I have problems, I've identified the factors which both caused it and why trying to get out of it is extremely difficult. Request time, could you cut me a bit of slack because that would be a huge help. In being overweight, there is a slight difference between saying it's impossible because of laziness, and saying that it is too hard without having to make up stuff. Last time I lost weight was an accident because my job had a similar activity-level to a meter-reader and the constant heat-stroke killed my appetite. That was unsustainable once the job was over, and my next job made trying to keep the weight off something that required effort. As less-triggery example then? I do feel like you're making my point where they could probably do something like openly try to destroy Christianity and be defended because doing anything against them would be equated with Nazism. Again, unlikely because it would have happened already. Okay, so I don't know how to tell a lie from reality? Now I'm being attacked for believing what I'm told instead of not believing what I've been told, which stemmed from believing what I've been told? It's a shame that it wasn't real, because most stories there aren't so positive.
Let Nobody Turn Us Around, ed. Marable & Mullings, would be a good addition to that list. I would add it to the post, but it's locked, so *shrug emoji* also, again, if anyone else has pieces or essays or books or whatever that they'd like to share, I think that would be a really good idea. I'm not in any way an authority on this; I'm just a white woman with access to her old college syllabi.
Hey G! Got my taxes done and owe 575 federal, which kind of sucks, but IRS is easier to deal with than the state. Plus I'm used to always owing some and having to do a payment plan. Back to it. Again, I'm just some guy with an account here. Not a therapist. Not gonna tell you to get a pedicure. Or pretend to be able to diagnose anything. Can I draw your attention to your second paragraph above? Specifically the first and second third sentences. What isolates me is that I am living in a world of bullies. . . . It extended to things like giving me a worksheet that I knew was stupid and pointless if I did my work quickly, and then punishing my defiance if I tried to tell them how much I hated it. In the first sentence you describe your current perception--"I am living in a world of bullies". I think that is an honest statement of your perception and belief. In your third sentence, you describe shitty experience in school, and since it refers to worksheets, I suspect it's elementary school you are describing. Your use of this elementary school experience from quite a long time ago to support your claim about your perception of the world now is sort of a "tell" that part of your psyche is kind of working through that shitty experience and in some weird way your perception is shaped by it. And your perceptions are informing your thoughts and your speech and your acts. I don't know what I can do to persuade you that the world is bigger and better and more beautiful (and more dangerous and frightening and harmful) than your third or fourth grade classroom. All I can do is tell you that it is, or at least it can be.
i am not and will never waste my time or energy trying to have an actual conversation with you lol have fun being a flawless sadsack
So, this thing you've said here? About Jews openly trying to destroy Christianity? That is the basis of a lot of white nationalist, white supremacist thought, and over a thousand years of institutionalized anti-semitism in Christianity. There are people who believe that the Jewish people are currently doing that, and it's already happening. So your addendum of "unlikely because it would have happened already" doesn't exactly make me feel better, because it is leaving a very, very dangerous door open.
Here's a direct example of the thing you do. You're not being shamed for thinking the story was true. I just said it was fake. THIS is the problem. This is why my post expressed disgust with the story and for the people who liked it. It WASN'T positive. They named the fat person fucking CHIBI-HAM for God's sake. They included every nasty trope and condescending "teachable moment" they could. Oh look at the stupid fat girl trying to buy lolita clothes in Japan, look at her only being able to shop at stores for male sumo wrestlers, look at her disgusting body that she's never washed by herself, hahahahah look at her inability to use Japanese squat toilets and get poop all over everything. Oh look, isn't it nice, the hamplanet was able to learn that tomatoes taste sweet once she stopped shoveling chocolate into her disgusting mouth. The problem isn't that you didn't know it was fake, it's that it is a favorite of yours that you consider positive.
Rigs is right. The description of the problem with the "worksheets" sounds eerily like the description of the problem with the PPC, in its early form. And the way triggers tend to work is, if something is a trigger for you, things sort of similar to it will feel like they are exactly that thing, and leave you reacting to that pattern, rather than to the specific thing currently happening. And that might explain the weird disconnect between what other people perceived happening, and what Greallan reported. And the fact is, the world mostly isn't like that. Most of the world is friendly.
This continues to be remarkably and incoherently anti-Semitic, please stop and do the recommended reading and come back later.
You got advice that you're sabotaging your own chances for civil conversation by making Jewish people one of your most frequently used examples. Your response was to use Jewish people in an even more inflammatory example. Why did you ever think this was a good idea.
