Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Okay, fine. My memory is that all the reconciliation I wanted was to deescalate into something more reasonable, not that they had to apologize. And the knickname was just an attempt to make her happy by remembering her gender.

    How do I reconcile that what I remember is false and that everything nasty she said was what I was actually thinking? How do I get over this delusion that I try to be a nice person, when really I'm this narcissist who is actively trying to hurt people?

    Oh, god, my chest hurts and my hands are shaking. Does that mean I'm going to turn into a better person?
     
  2. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Disregard the part where I started freaking out. It passed quickly. I need to learn how to control my emotions better when I'm upset. I shouldn't let my chest hurt or my hands shake.

    Oh, tracking back to an earlier conversation. Could people not say "we shouldn't have to walk on eggshells" because it is a trigger for me. Instead, could people say that I'm being oversensitive?
     
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  3. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    I genuinely do not care whether you call me spockette or not, and I personally don't have much emotional investment in people getting my gender right. I've never said either of those is upsetting me. Do whatever, I really truly do not care.

    I am sick of your emotions rewriting the plain recorded history into something provably untrue, because this is a consistent PATTERN.
     
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  4. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    What was the problem, then? Did I imagine a bunch of upset words about my inability to get Spock's pronouns right?
     
  5. lex

    lex + 0.2% luck

    the bar for decency from her is on the floor but expectations are too high because she still can’t manage it? fuck that

    seems like anything is enough for you, but you’re right, it’s not enough for me. not sorry at all.
     
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  6. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Are you imagining a bunch of upset words? From me? YES. Because I POLITELY CORRECTED YOU. TWICE. And then you called me uppity. And then you called me extra pissy. And THEN when I brought your attention to those things, quoting evidence, you said I was off the deep end.

    Are you waiting for me to get sick of repeating myself? Or did you read the bit where I said the misgendering apology was good, so you think you've bought enough goodwill to be an asshole again? For the love of all that's good, I've been posting mainly when you LIE ABOUT ME and you just acknowledged that your emotions overwrite the facts in your memory. Why are you so determined to undermine every step of your own progress.
     
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  7. Petra

    Petra space case

    Other people were more upset than Spock was. I don't think anyone was particularly nasty about it, but it's possible your brain has turned 'upset about this was widespread' to 'Spock was really upset'.
     
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  8. rats

    rats 21 Bright Forge Shatters The Void

    to spell it out in plain words: spock literally just wants an apology for calling her uppity, and extra pissy, and "going off the deep end". that's it. none of those things are true and she wants an apology for it.
     
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  9. Erica

    Erica occasionally vaguely like a person

    very few people were upset about the initial misgendering.

    very many people were upset at your reaction & rhetoric once it was pointed out you'd misgendered her
     
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  10. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    I think this was discussed about how I don't distinguish who said what very well. I kinda average out a chorus of voices. It's not a disrespect thing. Unfortunately, it also makes it harder to weed out the gaktos-plaukai when I'm trying not to form grudges.

    I apologize for being dismissive and exaggerating it into uppity, especially when it was probably a lot of other people being slightly disgruntled at best. I apologize for exaggerating again into pissy for no good reason.

    I will stand by feeling that you went a bit "off the handle" if that's better phrasing than "deep end." As far as that not happening again, I would like some cooperation.
     
  11. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    You are really determined to undermine yourself, wow.

    Any kind of cooperation would have to start with you NOT TELLING LIES ABOUT ME. And at that point, I don't have to correct the record, you don't get angry at me for bringing "facts" into the picture, wow, super harmonious.

    And you had to wrap it up coming back to an insult, god. Wordy is not the same as off the deep end or off the handle, especially when I've repeated myself so many times and this was the point where the lies about me were STILL ESCALATING

    Go look at your threads for my """"cooperation."""" ALL your threads. I have TRIED. You yell at my words, you yell at my lack of words, you yell at my pictures, and as recently as this morning you were still talking shit. Wow, I was being nasty to you, you say. By refusing to fold and let you freely lie about me. Super nasty for me to get annoyed by your determination to ignore the quoted facts and stand by those untruths.

    What you want is for me to extend you infinite patience while you take out all your frustration on me without caring about the facts. No???? How is this even a question?
     
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  12. rats

    rats 21 Bright Forge Shatters The Void

    good apology up until that last paragraph .
     
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  13. Petra

    Petra space case

    Yeah, sincerely going to back this up. You're improving and people are noticing that, and I don't want the negative reaction to the last part to make you feel that nobody is noticing the other stuff.
     
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  14. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Am I the only one who's seeing Spock's tone as complete screaming irrational blowup?

    At this point, I want a mediator to debug this.
     
  15. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    Yes, I think you are.
     
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  16. TheOwlet

    TheOwlet A feathered pillow filled with salt and science

    Yes. Her tone reads as 'seriously but perfectly understably annoyed' to me.
     
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  17. hyrax

    hyrax we'll ride 'till the planets collide

    AM, you have stated MULTIPLE times that you have trouble reading tone. i agree. that's why you don't notice how mocking and meanspirited some things you've quoted from reddit etc are. so if you KNOW that you have difficulty with tone, maybe don't insist that other people are attacking or having "screaming irrational blowups." how would you know? you have a hard time with tone!
     
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  18. Petra

    Petra space case

    I'm sorry, but yes. There is something wrong with your perception, and that's scary to face, but people aren't trying to gaslight you when they say it. We're just reporting our own perceptions.
     
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  19. Petra

    Petra space case

    FWIW I don't think you're intentionally lying when you say Spock is going 'off the handle', I think your perception is severely skewed, which is different from lying because you believe it to be true. So when Spock wants an apology, it's because the way you've been responding to her is based on a warped perception. While you can't necessarily help that perception, it would be very helpful for you to acknowledge that you can't objectively read Spock's tone, apologize for misrepresenting her (you do not need to clarify it's not intentional in the apology), and make an effort going forward to remind yourself of your skewed perspective when talking to or about Spock.
     
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  20. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    Yes. That's not screaming, it's not a blowup, and it's not even a little bit irrational. That's "a bit snippy", and that's in response to you repeatedly escalating and making claims which are false, and which you could easily check by looking at the evidence available.

    If you aren't willing to trust all the people here who have significant mediation experience and have been doing exactly that all along, why would another one help?
     
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