Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    God, this. Let me give myself a clean sound bite to quote in the future.

    This never happened.

    Nobody is making fact claims about your emotions.

    I am accusing you of repeatedly saying factually incorrect things, about me and my actions, which are provably untrue.

    I want you to stop.


    You're being told this

    because you raised the subject yourself, jesus christ
     
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  2. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    @Athol Magarac

    Within the last two days, you have been expressing this in an approximately present tense.
    Stop lying.

    Oh, come at me. I'm even harder to annoy than Spock is.

    That's honestly a fairly average time for a namechange. Also, changing your name is not going to somehow make what you've said and done okay.

    Every time you try to talk about anything, you veer into upsetting topics, apparently by accident.
     
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  3. Re Allyssa

    Re Allyssa Sylph of Heart

    If you're making a plan, you need to call a hotline.

    If you are in the US - National Suicide Prevention hotline 1-800-273-8255. I don't know the other countries one, but one could google "[country] suicide hotline" and get results.

    If you prefer text - The National Suicide Prevention also has a text/chat line : https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/chat/
    https://www.imalive.org/ also exists
     
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  4. Chiomi

    Chiomi Master of Disaster

    The thing where it's an absolute for you - and now all about African children - is uncomfortable. It implies that there is still a moral component, and combined with your previous recent statements on this site suggests that you still think that anyone who contracted it through any voluntary action rather than being born with HIV deserves an undignified death. Attaching a moral component to a disease is the foundation of the problem.

    Yeah, the name change took time, but that was a genuine mistake due to not having seen it. It's unfortunate, but was not malicious and is not guaranteed to not happen again due to, y'know, the fallibility of human nature.

    Also, this particular thread is not the venue for My Little Pony or whatever. You are, in general, free and even encouraged to participate in non-loaded discussions in other venues and not make them about you or bigotry or moderation. You might find that enjoyable. But no, changing the subject here is not how that's going to happen.

    I think other people have addressed the other relevant points. Though I'll add this: your not being able to tell when something should or shouldn't be wiggled is part of the reason for post moderation, and I'm pretty much in agreement over most of the stuff that's been wiggled.
     
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  5. Re Allyssa

    Re Allyssa Sylph of Heart

    I'm inserting numbers to make my replies clearer, and separating replies to each part.
    (1) My interpretation - You believe that we have been saying that you can't be helped at all, and that you'll always be this way. There are other connotations that broken has, but I'll stick with that for now.
    My response -
    Nope. We are saying we are not trained enough to help you. That does not mean you are "fundamentally broken" at all.

    You CAN get help, but it just can't be here.

    Since we keep saying you can get help, that disproves the notion that we're calling you broken.
    ~~~~
    (2) My interpretation - You believe that the fact that your name change request wasn't fulfilled when you asked for it means that we were purposefully ignoring it as a punishment/attack/slight against you.
    My response -
    I'm sorry that your name change request was overlooked and then forgotten.

    Fun fact - a lot of the time mods are busy with Life Things as well as a good chunk of us being ADHD. Honestly, we just forgot. It[not changing your name] wasn't an intentional slight.
    ~~~~
    (3) My interpretation - You want to "start over" with a new name, meaning that you don't want anyone to bring up anything that happened while you had the old name. You also want the mods to be less strict with you and let more of your posts through.
    My response -
    A new name is fine, but it will not change the way anyone reacts towards you. A new name does not erase the history of interactions that you've had with the users.

    "Starting over" even just "a bit" isn't really possible. People are allowed to say that you've hurt them. It doesn't matter if you want to move on from it, especially if they are still hurting. It might be healthier to move on from it, but eh. That's for a different post.

    Similarly you're allowed to say that people've hurt you.

    If your report of events is not factual, they may correct you on the facts, and vice versa.

    No one has denied that you've been hurt, though a lot of us may not understand why. People are arguing with the facts as you present them. But it is clear that you've been hurt.

    Similarly, the mods do make moderation decisions in context, which include past interactions.
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    (4) My interpretation - You do not want to talk about highly contentious topics
    My response - I agree! Lighter topics of discussion have lower stakes and so people can be more forgiving.

    Sometimes I have noticed that you say something in a light discussion that brings up a heavier discussion because of the way you phrased something or a line of thought you presented.

    You might not be able to fully get away from all the heavy discussions, but I definitely think that you can try
     
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  6. Lizardlicks

    Lizardlicks Friendly Neighborhood Lizard

    Did I miss a thread where this was actually said by anyone other than Athol? Because as far as I am aware the reference to seraphobia was, "this gay guy that slept around a lot and pissed me off should have died of aids".
     
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  7. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    nope! the only person to have said this is her, solely in response to being told shes serophobic
     
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  8. Lizardlicks

    Lizardlicks Friendly Neighborhood Lizard

    Okay gotcha. Athol, this is an example of your distorted thinking/ why you appear to be lying about events. No one has said or thought this, but you keep insisting that we do. This is one instance of many.
     
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  9. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Have I said "I feel like I'm not being listened to"

    That's because I had to go on without you(group) while you continued on the wrong trail and assuming what's in my head despite all my efforts to correct people. Someone responded to Freddy Mercury, so I assume that my message about how my current mental-image of someone with AIDS is an African child. Now that monogamy is an option, and knowledge of safe sex is high but embarrassingly not 100%, is HIV even spreading through the American gay population at a noticeable pace?
     
  10. Musarex

    Musarex Active Member

    ...when was monogamy not an option?
     
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  11. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Thread's moving fast, just going to skip Spock's post until she edits out the lie.

    This is helpful, but I'm really worn-down ATM.
     
  12. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

     
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  13. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    I took a self care break for a couple of days and am still scared of you but would just like to point out that this does not make sense. I was personally saying your attitude toward prisilla was serophobic, and outlined how. You are the one who bought african children into the discussion.

    It doesn't follow at all, there's a sharp break after the word "about". The rest of the thought is missing, there is no connection between the first half of the sentence and the latter.

    Also, okay, so I read through and caught up.

    Athol, please make a short, simple, list, about things that "push your buttons". One sentence at most per line, ideally short. Because all I can see with Spock's posts is that...she keeps asking you not to lie about her? If it was something like the 'hahahah wow' stuff, that'd make sense to me. I think it's reasonable she be able to express her feelings about the things you post, but it would make sense to me as a complaint.

    Thirdly - spock is not responsible for any self-harm you commit. Nobody is unless they are telling you to do it or physically coercing you. It's self-harm. Harm that you do to yourself. Nobody wants to see you self-harm. Trying to use your self-harming and suicidal ideation as leverage to get what you want is abusive. Stop it.
     
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  14. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    Which lie? Is there actually a directly-falsifiable statement been made?
     
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  15. Paradigm Shift

    Paradigm Shift Sleepy Girl Wants Love

    I have literally read this sentence something like 20 times and not been able to parse anything after referring to an earlier message about Freddy Mercury.

    It reads to me like saying "You responded when I mentioned Freddy Mercury, and I assume from this that I've said my current mental image of AIDS-sufferers is an African child."

    I'm really not involved in this thread, just read up to the current point, so I'm going to bow out with this post; I just was hoping to point this out for clarification in case anyone else has turned it over way too much and doesn't get it.

    ETA: Oh, Kathy got confused about the same section a few seconds before me. Whoops.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2018
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  16. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Technically it was, but not really viable? I could see the gay culture having an almost (1) approach to the whole bizness.

    (1) Some book I read that might have been about satanists... the church said witchcraft was wrong, so they decided to call themselves witches... Gays might have been overly permiscus because if the church demonized them for one thing, they might as well do everything the church didn't like.

    There was probably a more practical reason for non-monogamy.

    But what I'm getting at is that LGBTQ have marriage now, and limiting the amount of connections you have seems like a practical extension of safe sex. I'm for having more than one partner, just there's this undefined number.
     
  17. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Alright, cut it out. I don't have the energy for this game.
     
  18. Lizardlicks

    Lizardlicks Friendly Neighborhood Lizard

    No, it confused me to. Honestly I don't even know why you references Freddy Mercury in the first place. Once again, the issue is you wishing death via aids on a gay man. Can't break it down any more simply than that.

    Which part do you percieve as a lie?
     
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  19. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    I can't edit. Someone responded to Freddy Mercury, so I assume that my message about how my current mental-image of someone with AIDS is an African child got through. Or Someone responded to Freddy Mercury, so I assume that my message got through about how my current mental-image of someone with AIDS is an African child.

    Basically sometimes it's hard for me to get a sentence down because it doesn't form words in my head, or the words change while I'm trying to type them out.
     
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  20. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    That's not how any of this works, and massively homophobic besides.

    But I do.

    Part of the point is that you seem permanently unable to actually listen to anything anyone says, ever, so we end up repeating ourselves a lot.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2018
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