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if that had happened, i can understand why you would be distressed and feel like it was unfair. but that's not what happened

my understanding is:

• you said something bigoted
• people pointed out to you it was bigoted (some more politely and some less politely)
• you tried to argue with their explanations and said more bigoted things in the process
• people stopped being willing to engage with you because you didn't seem willing to learn, and you were rude and spiteful when corrected

it really isn't a case where you said a single thing and everyone decided you were evil and bad forever. i know that you may feel that way, and i know that it's distressing. i personally am very afraid of other people thinking i'm a bad person and will vociferously defend my morality.

but that's not what's happening. you've displayed bigotry in multiple comments about multiple groups of people. are people now interpreting more things you say as bigoted? yes, because you've shown, repeatedly and consistently, that you say bigoted things and you hold bigoted views.

people are also less inclined to be charitable because you double down on your views when questioned, you turn nasty and insulting when people draw attention to your bad behavior, and you've also demonstrated very little ability to even understand what's been said to you.

some of the most kind and patient people on this forum have written you off almost entirely because communicating with you is as confusing and frustrating for them as it is for you.

if you want to try to fix your reputation,

• make a good-faith effort to not say bigoted things
• avoid contentious topics you don't fully understand
• do not insult, threaten, or otherwise be an asshole towards people who try to explain things
• be less nasty, petty, rude and spiteful in general, both towards other forumgoers and to people you discuss in the abstract (like minority groups)
• make at least some effort to understand why people are so frustrated and angry with you
• do that less

 

OMFG, I got screamed at for agreeing that you weren't to blame. People wouldn't even tell me what they thought I was saying. If I do a good thing, don't scream at me like I'm horrible.

 

Where did this happen.

 

Seems to be a wiggled post

 

I believe she means people being upset about this:

...but, Athol,

^this statement is just factually incorrect. People did tell you what they thought you were saying. They explained exactly why what you said was upsetting:

 

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• you said something bigoted without knowing that it was bigoted
• people pointed out to you it was bigoted (some more politely and some less politely) without explaining why
• you tried to argue with their explanations insistence that the literal thing was untrue and said more bigoted things in the process (1)
• people stopped being willing to engage with you because you didn't seem willing to learn, and you were rude and spiteful when corrected You know that thing where I kept screaming at Spock that they were pissing me off and everyone else said "They're being nice"? It goes both ways. I'm being nice and people are screaming at me like I insulted their mother.

if you want to try to fix your reputation,

• make a good-faith effort to not say bigoted things Kinda hard when I can't keep "good words" and "bad words" straight. People also can't see to agree on them, or they're changing every time I look.
• avoid contentious topics you don't fully understand That might exacerbate the problem. Like right now, everything I know about incels comes from a hate-sub.
• do not insult, threaten, or otherwise be an asshole towards people who try to explain things I think this is a tone-problem because I've been nice. I'm afraid to agree with someone because sofar I've just gotten screamed at for my trouble.
• be less nasty, petty, rude and spiteful in general, both towards other forumgoers and to people you discuss in the abstract (like minority groups) Yes mam, I will do everything you say even if I don't understand it mam.
• make at least some effort to understand why people are so frustrated and angry with you Maybe the reason is that they read things the opposite of what they should? I've asked for people to put more effort into making sure we're on the same page.
• do that less

(1) Bear with me because I know people hate it when I try metaphors. Imagine someone like Sheldon Cooper. If someone says "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush," he might start arguing that the objective value of a bird doesn't depend on its location, unless you were talking about regional bird markets, but hand and bush aren't really objective locations.

 

How about this... Jews and Hollywood, what is okay and what isn't?

I tried explaining my takeaway on what I thought people were saying and it almost sounds like I heard bigoted things coming from here.

 

Got it. Athol feel free to correct. Let me try to highlight

Good!

Bad. This is the part that is being objected to.

 

Jews do not control the media or even a majority of it. Saying so is a dogwhistle for anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. There are a few famous people in media who are also Jewish. Feel free to consume media produced by them.

 

What do you think pushing my buttons means?

 

Given your upbringing and the fact that you feel the need to argue with everyone who tries to explain it to you, I think a blanket "do not talk about Jewish people in Hollywood, in any capacity, because it always swings back around to the 'controlling the media' aspect that's born from antisemitic conspiracies and is provably untrue."

Even if you think 'that would be a good thing'. Fullstop. Don't bring it up. Don't argue in favor of your perspective that they dominate Hollywood. Don't reference Jewish control of anything, because by your own admission, you come from a background with extreme bigotry, and your upbringing and socialization is not a reliable source of information that isn't antisemitic.

Literally no one is saying 'you can't consume media made by people in minority groups', all we've said is 'stop parroting white supremacist conspiracy theories'.