I said "work with me" to make sure we weren't using different meanings of "pushed my buttons" and if the arousal was different I could have interchangeably said that Spock turned me on. Someone accused me of saying that I accused Spock of doing it on purpose. Now that I know it's my own fault if I get angry, but we could have saved some go-around time by making sure we weren't arguing about two different things. (Still not sure why people didn't say "deal with it" when I said I had problems with reaction images.) I recanted that she forced me to binge drink, and people yelled at me for that. The yelling was the only reason I racanted my recanting. I also did not force Spock to keep posting. There's also a post where it looks like she lists a lot of the times when I told her to stop talking and accused me of lying about that. As of now, "you pushed my buttons" might be cause for an apology, or at least skipping to the part where they stop doing it.
Lord have mercy You asked me why I kept bringing up the lies. I QUOTED THOSE POSTS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
Thank you for the reply. 1) I'm sorry that you were feeling low. The serophobia stuff was cleared up multiple times. Can I quote the explanations? I'm fairly certain the risk-taking idea was wiggled. I can bump that thread up if you'd like. 2) I would appreciate it if you did! The reason some of those posts get wiggled are a) you included it with a response to something else and it[explanation] got caught in the wiggle b) and explanation should use the I statements that someone brought up a bit ago. You should be saying what you are feeling and what you did, but you shouldn't make accusations at someone else. I think those two things would cover most of the explanations that haven't been acknowledged. (some of them have been but you may have missed them) 3) I don't know that you can really get that. You certainly can't force people to give you that padding. Some people might be willing to give it to you, but that's up to them. Time isn't going to heal this one, only a change in behavior will. 4) I know it's hard, and I think sometimes you don't even think you're vering into a heavy topic but it ends up being one. I think it's a very good idea to try! I'm just warning you that you might not catch all of them before they happen.
Yeah, the go-round still doesn't make sense. It's like a bunch of getting told I'm a liar when I tell her I want her to stop talking to me. How about a questionnaire on what I believe ATM? Those usually help, especially when you're trying to tell me that I believe something that I don't.
Just wanna say this is not an appropriate line of thought to go with, and does not lead to a better conclusion. This is said with no judgement, just that you're gonna be brushing up against a different big bugbear with this particular line of thought. Metaphors and similes do not work for you in streamlining communication.
1) stop using the word arousal in conjunction with me. I know what you mean. You know the connotations of the word. Find something different Or is it okay for you to ask for no reaction images, but it's not fine for me to ask you to stop using a word you've already been told has uncomfortable sexual connotations? :) 2) you wanted a tchgb thread? CONGRATS! You are chronically incapable of remembering even the history of your own actions, and we're already back to implying it's my fault you were using manipulative tactics, and ignoring fact corrections i just finished fucking making. Every time someone tries to help you, it's a convenient excuse to reset your memory to your favorite fairy tale version of history where you're the innocent victim. I have literally no hope of getting through to you in any meaningful way, but I'm collecting the whole nasty abusive, manipulative history in a central spot. Don't start the thread. I'm starting it.
It is reasonable to ask people not to use reaction images when talking with you. It is not reasonable to ask someone to not respond when you lie about events involving them.
It doesn't make sense because you are drunk and nothing we do or say that doesn't cater to your delusion makes sense to you. Get sober. Things will make a lot more sense.
Was Spock at your house with a crate of booze and a funnel forcing the alcohol down your throat? No? Then she was NOT forcing you to binge drink. That is a choice you made. One you might not have made consciously because I gather from this thread that you have an alcohol problem, but it is a choice.
yes, because shes told you that her participation in these threads, and a lot of the issue regarding her talking to you, will go away when you stop lying about your interactions with her. spock is allowed to state when you are being untruthful in your recounting of events, especially when there is proof of those events occurring. and i have to say that while questionnaires may have been helpful in the past, especially with kathy trying to determine your intentions, i dont feel that its particularly fair of you to put the burden of your communication being clear and understood on me or anyone else. youve been given tips on how to communicate effectively. as well, its been established that communicating with you in such a way is hard while youre still drinking as heavily and and as often as you are. go to rehab. get help. theres very little anyone here can do for you until then. like lizardlicks said, things will start making a hell of lot more sense when youre better.
Um, hence why I recanted it? I feel like every time I try to budge in a direction you(group) want me to, someone yells at me like I'm doing a bad thing.
hey, the sentence you quoted actually says that Athol no longer believes/withdrew earlier statements that Spock forced her to binge drink so this is kinda unnecessary? though @Athol Magarac 'recanted' is a little bit of a peculiar word choice, as far as I can tell it has heavy religious/heresy implications which is a little bit =/
I recanted the recanting just because I was being yelled at. If I could stop blaming you for the drinking without getting yelled at, I'm all for it.
that statement literally makes no sense, no one is yelling at you for not blaming spock for your substance abuse and self harm???
The nuance that Athol doesn't want to recognize, despite repeated explanations, is that even if she says blamimg me was wrong, if her other statements still functionally place blame on me, it kind of undoes that first bit. By pointing out that the plain meaning of her words still blames me, she thinks people are "yelling at her for taking it back"
I don't get connotation at all, so if there's a better word to use, I'm open to it. And maybe not yelling, but annoying "I don't think we're on the same page" stuff.