I think you're saying you're burned out, but given your track record with metaphors, I have no idea. No, really, you're terribly transparent at it because your brain is utterly marinated in Stupid Juice.
Matchsticks is spoons. Edit: (hit post before I was actually done) I don’t read this as implying any more burnt out than what is typically conveyed by “out of spoons”
Bookmarking it at here, but I do have one thing that might be worth breaking into a different thread. I think there was something about the PPC being acknowledged as abusive? Well, I learned everything I know about apologizing from them, so it might be time for another lesson? Other than you(group) going though and going "don't do that" until I make every possible mistake and run out of ideas, how about a set of instructions for how Kint does it?
What was actually said was, (paraphrased) "if you think they're so abusive, why do you try to emulate them so much". I don't think anyone here but you is under the impression that the PPC were particularly abusive in their dealings with you. You have been repeatedly given instructions and debugging advice for how to deal with social situations. Consider the following: Actually read the damn advice. See step 1.
Like. The reason we aren't jumping over ourselves to give advice is that You. Keep. Not. Reading. It. It's just pissing effort down the sinkhole that is your terminally pickled brain.
Pretty much what Snitch said: No. Absolutely not. You've gotten everything you need, you don't actually need anymore, and trying to nicely rephrase the same shit over and over so you can magically twist out of it isn't going to happen. Take your figurative balls out of your purse instead of clutching at your pearls, and do the work you need to do to stop being a shithead. Which. Gasp! Starts with goddamn apologizing and meaning it and getting yourself sober. For fuck's sake.
I'm emulating them because people don't think they're abusive. Is saying things like "I will not take responsibility for something that isn't true" an appropriate response when someone tells me why they're upset? Can I begin an apology with "I'm sorry that you were hurt" and end with "I wouldn't do anything differently" ? Don't make excuses, but explain that you understand. (And then get not!yelled at for making excuses.) Something about apologizing for what you're apologizing for? I don't get that one. Don't self-flaggellate. I think I need more "Do" statements and less "Don't."
You're attempting to gotcha me about Spock's actions (or possibly the PPC's), without understanding how thoroughly different the situations are. You. Sent. Graphic. Threats. To. Spock. That is worlds apart from the moderating you have been so 'cruelly' subjected to. That is because you continue to not understand and seem incapable of not trying to make excuses. Because your apologies are often in the form of "I'm sorry that [something blatantly untrue]". Bizarrely, these aren't apologies for the right thing, so they're pointless.
In general, I'm trying not to go into Spock stuff today. If there's any gotcha, those were said to me by an individual in the PPC. Should I emulate that behavior?
If you think they're abusive, and you emulate them, you are behaving in a way you think is abusive. Also, I don't think they were particularly abusive, but they absolutely did some crappy things, and appear to exist entirely to be internet bullies, and have pointed that out. That would depend a lot on circumstances. I'm sorry my cat is hurt when I inject her with insulin, but I wouldn't do anything differently. But I have an actual argument that what I am doing is necessary for her survival. That matters! This is absolutely true. Okay, so. Do: Describe a criticism someone has made of you, accurately describing what they criticized.
*shrug* Suit yourself... test run. I'm sorry that you feel insulted, but I will not take responsibility for something that isn't true.
incredible how every time theres a very clear and firm criticism athol runs out of matchsticks and changes the subject that's how matchsticks work
I'm emotionally strung-out and my stomach is spasming. I just had a simple question/request/clarification and it turned into a debate. Are you now criticising me for wanting to take a break that has been going on for about a month?
So, this is an actual thing! Narcissists literally can't comprehend criticism of themselves. Their brains will just... go out of focus suddenly when they get close to the thing. See, as a closely related thing, missing missing reasons. Note the similarity; "no one will tell me what's wrong". And yet, we know that people have told them what's wrong. The estranged-parent-forums people will even describe someone telling them what's wrong, then say that no one will tell them what's wrong. So if you say "seebs is bad about people's boundaries, for instance, they kept poking X about topic Y after X said not to", I see that text and I can agree or disagree with it. If I were a narcissist, I'd basically see "seebs is bad about people's boundaries, for instance, the͟y ̨ḱe̵p҉t p͡oki͜n͢g̶ X̕ ̵̀a̸b̸͟ó̸̕u͟͡t͞ ҉͞t̀̕o̧͠pì̸̴c̸͟ ̛Y̡͟ ̵͟͡a͡͞f̡҉͞t̷̸̛̕͝e̶̡̨̛r̴̶̡͘͏ ̀҉̸̕͡X̷̨̨͢ ̷͜s̶͘͞͡a̧͞i͘͘͢͡͡d̶̛̀͝ ̶́͘͝҉n̸̡̨ó̷̶͟t̴̸̵͜͟ ̨̡̛t̀҉o" and it's pretty hard to see how that's a meaningful criticism, so I don't understand why you're saying that I'm bad about boundaries and not giving any kind of reason. You're just making weird noises and I can't focus on them.
Athol, you were the one who wanted to talk about this. It's a problem you clearly struggle with. You keep saying you are here to learn how to be better at human interaction. Stop changing the subject every time someone makes a point you find difficult to deal with.
I'm not. I'm criticizing you for actively pursuing the conflict in general, but always needing to take a break right when you're given a clear, simple criticism, and then saying no one gave you clear, simple, criticisms.
Take a break. Walk away from the computer. Post in a different thread. Hell, state that you will come back to something later. You keep asking questions then ignoring the answers. It's not a good look.