Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Oh, @Kathy Jones could you stop? It's distracting and hard-to-process as well as upsetting, so it's not doing much good. Thank you for trying, and I'm sorry it's not working.
     
  2. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    The thing you said:

    What I, who can read, understand it to mean: "Snitch is deliberately baiting me into sending them upsetting content".

    You proceeded to insist it wasn't a threat, and only now are you even vaguely explaining what you were thinking.

    You. Do. Not. Express. Yourself. Clearly.
    Hell, you've made inappropriate sexual comments to me and others multiple times in the wiggler, so it wouldn't be surprising.

    You're hard enough to comprehend to start with.
    We have repeatedly explained ourselves very clearly in multiple different ways.
     
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  3. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    She's actually finished.
     
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  4. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    Right. Sorry for the accidental distress, and also sorry to the mods for the flood of notifications.
    And I'm done. Six posts in 8 pages where I believe 3 or maybe 4 of them I had no idea why they were wiggled, and the rest were hand wobbly on if I'd have let them through. Nowhere were you being abused. I can think of 1 of those 3 or 4 posts where a complaint of "silencing" would apply, and it was in the poetry thread.

    The rest of them? Every single one, I agree. I would have done the same. You are not being unfairly censored, in fact they're being pretty lenient with you considering the stuff in there.
     
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  5. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    Oh, also? There was abuse in there! From you. Stop abusing the mods! Just stop it!
     
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  6. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    @Snitchanon I do not appreciate the proof of your mistake getting wiggled.

    QUOTE="Athol Magarac, post: 858473, member: 3404"
     
  7. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    I really don't care.
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    I did this wiggle for a TCHGB post that I thought was in the Reporting The Mods thread or something. And then I restored the post when I realised my mistake.
    And then I explained in the wiggler that that was what happened, because I didn't want to leap into the TCHGB thread.
     
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  8. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    It doesn't matter whether you're trying to hurt people, because if you express your hurt the way you keep trying to you will hurt people. And you've been told that. So now, you have two choices:
    1. Express the hurt a different way.
    2. Hurt people, knowing that you're going to, because you care less whether you hurt them than whether you have to expend even the smallest possible amount of effort.
    If you pick #2, what does that tell us? That you don't object to hurting people.

    Yes. That's because it is.
     
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  9. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    I keep trying to express the hurt in different ways. I think I complained before about just being told "don't do this" even when I ask for what to "do"

    Also, do y'all care at all about how much you're hurting me?
     
  10. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Oh, how do I say that part without hurting other people?
     
  11. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    I've told you before how to talk about self harm without threatening people. And various mods clarified multiple times that they do not want to cause you hurt and regret that you feel hurt. Stop threatening people. Stop abusing people.

    eta: here i'll even throw more resources:
    https://www.theemotionmachine.com/h...gs-without-becoming-an-emotional-manipulator/ this specific link? good.
     
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  12. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    Would you care to estimate how many times you've been given the answer to this question? Like, do you think it's more than 20? Because I'm pretty sure it's more than 20.

    Let's try this:

    "If you do [thing], I will hurt [person]": ALWAYS A THREAT.

    It does not matter whether or not the person is you.

    If a thing upsets you, talk about it being upsetting. If you start talking about how it Made You Hurt Yourself, or Will Make You Hurt Yourself, that is threatening, and is going to be understood as an attempt to hurt people and force them to change their behavior. And since you have been told that it works that way, continuing to do it says you're okay with hurting people and threatening them.

    Yes, you've complained about being told "don't do this" when you ask what to do. That is a real complaint, but also it turns out that it is not actually anyone's obligation to teach you this shit. And furthermore, we've tried. Dozens of times.
     
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  13. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    so far, your "different" ways of expressing pain have been through threats, insults, or manipulation.

    try something small like "hey, i'm hurting right now, i'm going to take a break", or "what you're saying right now/about [topic] is upsetting to me." you don't need to go into details of how you feel or what those feelings make you want to do. simply saying that youre hurting/tired/upset is fine.
     
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  14. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    What keywords should I try to find it again, please?

    I have a new idea... when I say something wrong, could people help me to rephrase it better? Like I'm not sure why describing the "safe surrender site" program is so horrible.
     
  15. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Being told repeatedly that I said a purple interpretation of green instead of an orange interpretation of green is very upsetting. Being mistranslated makes my eyes hurt and not because of any smacking.
     
  16. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    "I'm so upset that I'm hurting myself"

    Which part is the other person doing a thing?
     
  17. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Oh, so I just need to not talk about self-harm or otherwise getting hurt like losing my balance and landing on something bad.
     
  18. Chiomi

    Chiomi Master of Disaster

    @Athol Magarac there have been multiple instances where we have said 'expressing it this way is good' or given concrete ideas for how an existing post could be modified to be let through, usually by cutting out the most obvious abuse. Again, it's a you problem if you're not reading any of it.

    Also, you don't tend to frame it as you're upset, you tend to frame it as 'someone is doing a thing which is upsetting,' which is about the other person's behavior.

    @Kathy Jones I am glad that you were able to provide an outside opinion and hope you're okay. Also I don't think I've ever felt so immediately horrified as when getting that many notifications for the Wiggler.
     
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  19. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    The part where you are implicitly blaming them for your choices and actions, and making it their fault that you are doing this, and suggesting that if they continue doing whatever thing, you'll keep doing your thing and it'll be their fault.

    Again, it doesn't matter whether you intend this. What matters is that it communicates that, and you've been told about this, and you don't care enough to change your behavior. We've been having this exact conversation for at least a month now, and I think longer, and we've told you many times how to avoid it, and why it's a problem.
     
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  20. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    no one said this. stop it.
     
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