Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    You might not like this response or want to hear it but you need too.
     
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  2. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    What about the documented things where a mod has been provably wrong?

    I'm also really confused, because simply describing a safe surrender site program was considered horrible, but a joke about shoving a baby through the mailslot of one is fine? I mean, has anyone tried to explain it in a "you really can't tell?" sort of way?
     
  3. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Can't afford it. They'll just tell me to get off the internet and get a pedicure.
     
  4. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    This is too complicated.

    No.

    That's it. That's your problem, right there. No, you would not be in the right to say nasty stuff. Stop it. It isn't going to become okay. It doesn't matter why you think it's become okay. It's not okay. It's never okay.
     
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  5. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    What about them?

    Eight fucking pages of threads. 149 threads. 149 wiggled posts. And of those, there's... maybe three or five or something where we maybe made mistakes. At least two of them, we've said "whoops, that was an error" and restored the posts.

    That leaves >140 posts where you said horrible, nasty, abusive, things, and we tried to prevent that from hurting you or other people, and you got mad and said you didn't understand why, and yelled at us for telling you why, and yelled at us for not telling you why, and ignored it when we told you why, and complained about how unfair and abusive we were being, and said that we were "abusing you behind closed doors", and you've now had two people go through the posts and look at them and review them, and both of those people have concluded that the problem is that you post nasty shit and expect us to pretend otherwise.

    This is not a "both sides" issue. This is you being in the wrong >95% of the time, and acting like you're the victim, and telling everyone that you think the mods are "abusing you behind closed doors" so you can trigger and terrify the abuse victims, and accuse the victims of actual behind-closed-doors abuse of abusing you, and all of this just so you can pretend that maybe the problem is really everything but you.

    The reality is: If the >95% of cases where the problem is you being cruel or abusive weren't happening, there wouldn't be any problems. We wouldn't be having to wade through piles of nasty bullshit and sometimes missing a post that is only sort of questionable rather than outright horrible. You wouldn't be on post mod, because you wouldn't be hurting people enough to justify the effort. You'd just be having fun hanging out and chatting with people and it would all be fine.

    And all you have to do to get there is stop being cruel.
     
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  6. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    no, not at all. it's not okay. you cannot, and will not find a situation where treating other people horribly will EVER be okay.

    if a mod is wrong and you happen to prove it, the mod involved will admit to that. this has happened before.

    you, on the other hand, lie and try to find ways to blame other people for you being wrong. you have also done this before.
     
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  7. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    So other people are in the wrong when they keep not!yelling me about pronoun trouble? Or is this an inequality issue?
     
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  8. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

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  9. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    no one calls you nasty things when you get pronouns wrong.
     
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  10. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    you have not adequately defined what you consider to be "not!yelling" at you other than telling you that you are wrong. That said, yes, it's an inequality issue.

    you aren't going to socratic method your way into your actions being okay. there is not "if x for them, then y is fine for me" for the stuff you have been trying to post. The vast majority of it is reprehensible to a level that has my skin crawling. Look up sliding scale therapy. Get sober. Get help from qualified people and not strangers on the internet.
     
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  11. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    I have not seen a single post to you on the topic which came even close to "saying nasty stuff". People are not in the wrong to correct you or point out that your behavior is rude and shows contempt for other people. They would be in the wrong to say nasty stuff to you, but I don't think they have.

    That is the big problem. You say that someone deserves to die an undignified death, or that you want them to suffer, or anything like that, and it seems 100% reasonable to you. Other people state, politely and courteously, that your behavior is rude, and you think they are being very nasty and cruel.

    The inequality is in your interpretation of things. In your head, anything that makes you even consider feeling bad is Very Mean. Anything you really feel like saying is completely reasonable and justified, and not mean.
     
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  12. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Blaming me, but I think that much of the time I'm being accused of being cruel and abusive when I'm not. @Kathy Jones may I borrow a four-spoilered thing from your vent from today? I'll let you tell me where it could go, even if it's caring void.

    I want to try just hanging out and chatting. Have I gotten an explanation about why the baby-thing was horrible?
     
  13. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Okay. I'm going to have to accept that I'm reading it wrong. Could y'all do the same when I correct people about what I'm saying?
     
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  14. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    To be clear, calling a bigot a bigot is not "calling them nasty things."

    That thread in the wriggler where you called the mods the C word? That's calling people nasty things.
     
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  15. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    No I can quite firmly attest that you have been cruel and abusive and at an honestly flabbergasting level. Like, try to think how you would respond if even half of the posts in the wiggler were aimed at you from someone else. It would not be good. You take even gentle criticisms at attacks, if anybody actually attacked you to even a fifth of the degree you tend too attack others it would be terrible.

    Only if you quote it here because I am not comfortable with you using my words in a place I cannot see. Thank you for asking.
     
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  16. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    No, we couldn't, because you're objectively wrong.

    If you called someone an "ASS-SHICKING HIPPO", it would be reasonable for us to say "that is at least intended to be insulting". If you say "I am not trying to be insulting", and then use language like that, or call people cuss words, then we can say "if you didn't intend to be insulting, you need to pick different words".

    Words mean things! You can be wrong about what words mean. And, since you're drunk and mentally ill, that actually comes up a lot.
     
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  17. versi2

    versi2 ???????

    This part is good! I think this is the first time I've seen you start a sentence with "I'm going to have to accept that" and then the ending was an accurate interpretation of what advice you've been given, and not you calling yourself horrible. That's great!
     
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  18. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Is being a bigot a nasty thing? I mean, if innocent parroting makes a person one. I never understood the explanations.

    I'm going to have to look up the context on that, because I probably did mean it with more seriousness than the Australian way.
     
  19. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    Yes. Because you're repeating, perpetuating, and excusing rhetoric that has been used to justify assaulting, torturing, and killing other people. Sometimes on an en mass scale. I strongly recommend looking up lifeafterhate.org and looking at the kind of resources they have to use.
     
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  20. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    being a bigot is awful, but with understanding and reading other people's posts, and not forcing other people to be nice to you or else you'll go back to being openly bigoted, you can learn to Not be a bigot.

    being called a bigot is not a thing that other people say for the express purpose of being nasty to you. its an observation of how you treat people.
     
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