Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    http://www.threepanelsoul.com/comic/on-the-ergonomics-of-babies The specific something I'm thinking of happened in the wiggler. That's this part. "I say "this exists" without saying that I'm a fencesitter on the disagreement side, suddenly I'm fully supporting the thing that I mentioned."

    I'm afraid I'm not sure which "issues i'm thinking of that you brought up" you are talking about.
     
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  2. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Just taking a small break because my foot hurts. Still have to go back to page 14. What would happen if I just walked away from this thread completely? I feel like many times before I expressed my issues with asking for a ban. I will not conscent to that because it would be too upsetting.
     
  3. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    You can do that if you want. People still have the right to point out when you're doing abusive things in the avenues you do them in, but you can leave this thread whenever you choose.
     
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  4. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    You can walk away. In fact, please do, this wasn't meant to be about you

    You cannot, however, expect people to forget the conversations they attempted to have with you here, or the fucked up things you said.
     
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  5. Jove

    Jove [ destination defenestration ]

    Breaks are good. However, you already know what would happen, and bringing up “teehee I’ll never agree to a ban option that I’d have complete control of~” isn’t going to get you off the hook, either.

    ETA: I agree with Beldaran. This wasn’t supposed to be about you, so tap out. For your own sake, considering how much stress it’s causing you.
     
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  6. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    do what you need to! breaks are good

    i can answer that one for you:

    1. your problems would still be there. and would be inevitably brought up in another thread, because they still exist and you need to work on them
    2. most likely this thread wouldnt be nearly as active
    3. another thread would probably be made related to this or become about this, as every derail thread you've been involved with has become
    4. youd get to walk away i guess? you wouldn't have to worry about This Specific thread
    5. people would still be able to hold you accountable for things you said in this thread, as well as other threads.
     
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  7. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    okay. take your time.

    real talk, i would be incredibly fucking pissed. it would feel like you're just trying to ignore all the harm you've done and avoid taking responsibility for your actions.

    whatever. you've also said you wished you could get a temp ban. i don't actually care either way, but ftr kintsugi's whole, entire premise is we don't ban people, even when there's people i really, really wish would be banned, so. you're probably fine there.
     
  8. Jove

    Jove [ destination defenestration ]

    I’d be pissed, too, but that’s all she does. Reality is too much for her to handle, so she doesn’t, and it’ll probably stay that way until she gets help and gets sober. Which isn’t gonna happen if she stays bogged with this.

    I personally just refuse to be the one to walk away.
     
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  9. Jove

    Jove [ destination defenestration ]

    Adding to that thought:

    I refuse to do that because I feel that’s really the only recourse I have since I’m never going to get that apology, and I feel that it’s pretty much the only way any of us are actually going to get her to cool it— refuse to bend reality to what she wants, and either she’ll deal or she won’t.
     
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  10. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    Honestly the main benefit of this ongoing exercise is that when people ask me what my forum is like, I can talk about how we have one user with a combined 102 pages of threads in the meta discussion forum on the topic of how the mods are silencing her.
     
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  11. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Once I tie up some loose ends, I'll do that.

    Can you retitle this one as a derailment and restart the thread without using a quote from me, or otherwise specifying that the new thread is not about me in particular even though I was the example?

    That's the way I feel about other people in this situation. Yes, I do read tone wrong and get angry but other people are reading my stuff in ways I don't expect. I feel like the rules of a situation change so that everything bad can be blamed on me. "I didn't get your meaning, you should have been clearer. You didn't get my meaning, you should have actually read what I said."

    I think that my foot may be broken, or just severely injured, and while I might have missing time from last night, I didn't feel it when I got up this morning. I sympathize with you being pissed at what it looks like, but honestly having everyone wear me down until I take responsibility for things that I didn't do isn't going to do anyone any favors.
     
  12. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    Except that you've repeatedly confirmed that those ways of reading those things are accurate. Your problem isn't that people are misreading you. It's that you don't like what they see. You say you're not a bigot, but then you confirm, repeatedly, in many different ways, that you have the feelings that people are calling bigotry. You just think you ought to have them, and people shouldn't call them bigotry because you want to feel good about feeling those things.

    Yes. This is what compensatory narcissism is like. Your brain constantly tries to edit everything so that absolutely nothing can be blamed on you. When people point out that you are actually at fault, it feels like they are changing the rules so things can be blamed on you. Actually, the problem is just that you are actually at fault.

    But letting you pretend you didn't do things you did do isn't doing anyone any favors, either. And that's the problem: You really did do the things. You even sometimes admit that you "lashed out", but then you insist that you shouldn't take responsibility for it, because other people made you do it. But they didn't. You did it, and you did it in response to people doing things which were not actually bad.

    It's all you. You're the one who's picking fights, you're the one saying provably false things about what happened. You're the one editing history. You're the one being cruel. It's you. And until you can accept that, it will never, ever, get better. It can't, because you're the one who has to change, and you can't admit that you need to change.
     
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  13. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    we want you to take responsibility for the actual documented abuse you have done oh my god.

    That said. Go to the doctor and get your foot treated.
     
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  14. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    See the solution and refuse to back down... Yeah, other than some loose ends, chances are that I should ignore anything beyond tonight until I've been sober for a bit.

    Hop over to the TCHGB thread. The responses might not be instant, but I'll do what I can without going into meltdown. I would have apologized already except I was afraid of screwing it up.
     
  15. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    Hi, I'm older than you, I grew up with the same thing, I thought trying to correct "man"->"person" was silly, and so on. And then I listened when people talked, and I decided that even though singular-they bothered me, it was clearly reasonable, so I started doing it, even though it was effort, and now I'm basically doing fine and everyone's a lot happier. It was a small amount of effort over a few years and it has made other people much happier and reduced friction in my interactions with them.

    Part of the problem here is context, though. I'm bad at pronouns, but I'm consistently bad at them with everyone and people tend to be tolerant of that. You're bad at pronouns, but you're extra bad at pronouns with people you're mad at, and you're also overtly transphobic and actively refuse to change your language in other ways, or threaten to erase people if they don't give ground, and that makes it look a whole lot like you're not actually having difficulty with pronouns, you're just claiming it to have plausible deniability while you go around using the wrong pronouns for specific people on purpose because it's a way to hurt them while claiming innocence. And it's really obvious, because you don't screw pronouns up when talking about people you are currently trying to be nice to.

    People tolerate me being bad at pronouns because I get pronouns wrong for, say, myself. Or my spouse. In other words, obviously people I like and care about. That makes the "actually just bad at this" plausible.
     
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  16. Jove

    Jove [ destination defenestration ]

    Negl, laughed so hard I snorted my coffee. You are absolutely hilarious.

    That you didn’t do? Oh noooooo we were fooling with you all along???

    Seriously, go see a doctor.
     
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  17. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    If we limit it to that, things should go so much smoother.

    The foot will have to wait until tomorrow. Otherwise it will require walking in the cold, in boots that I haven't broken in yet.
     
  18. Jove

    Jove [ destination defenestration ]

    See the solution and refuse to back down? Yup. Pretty much. I’m not backing down from the fact that you’re abusive and that you hurt me and you hurt others. Good to know we’re on the same page.

    Would have apologized? Afraid you would have screwed it up? That’s a valid feeling, but, you know what?

    Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.

    No and kindly miss me with that load of bullshit. I don’t plan to cater to you. Especially not when you’re making excuses. You want to apologize? You do it here, on my terms, because I am so fucking done you have no idea.
     
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  19. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Trying to demand that I be the one to back down from your mistreatment of me is why we've got a tchgb thread, so wow, this strategy is really not working out for you!

    And oh hey. I'm home. I've got more than a week of your shit to catch up on, which is going to be a massive, life-draining time sink, but GOD is it going to feel good to lay this stuff out in one place.
     
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  20. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    A few years. Can I please have that long? I'm still working on the reasonable part. A couple months ago, actually being serious about caring about pronouns was a strange concept to me.

    Yes I'm a bit on the transphobic side and working on that too. If by "actively refuse to change your language" you mean not putting in the amount of effort to get the results y'all want, I'm feeling very dis... discouraged? It's like angry hopelessness.

    I feel erased every time I try to talk about how dehumanized I feel and get dismissed because people think I'm just manipulating them into not doing the thing that prompts me feeling not a person. I feel like other people are allowed to do it to me because I'm too far into the cishet range to matter.

    What it looks like isn't what it is. Or are you going to accuse me of not liking Pal because I keep forgetting that he's not a girl and keep using feminine pronouns? Spock's a she, right? I've been drilling on that one and I think I managed to use it today when using "they" just got too awkward. It's easier to call Jove a "they" because I don't have a guess on the pronoun and I'm guaranteed to get it wrong.

    How do you manage to get pronouns wrong for yourself? Or your spouse unless they keep changing their mind? That seems like an affectation so you don't get scolded for pronoun trouble.
     
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