Reporting the mods

You know what, I missed the additional ping on this. Probably because you were agitating for attention while I was literally sitting on an airplane heading for takeoff.

Right, soooooo.... what exactly is the purpose of this? Is this just to communicate how you're taking my words? Because I can infer pretty darn well how you take my words just from your responses. Also, I hate the colored text thing. A lot.

Here we go then, let's take a guess at what you're hoping to get out of this.

This is me asking a genuine question for clarification because obviously we were disconnecting on something and my best guess was that you were talking about a different 'it' than I'd meant.

?????? No? This is me being vaguely annoyed at everyone involved, including me. You picked the 'it'/'it's with the clearest antecedents to explain, which was an explanation I didn't actually need, and I didn't check my work before asking to be sure that my question was unambiguous. This is an actual both sides case, but is also just a minor irritation that everyone in the conversation had to deal with.

Again, this is just mildly annoyed that your explanation applied to every instance of 'it' that I'd already understood, but that's nothing more than a vague wish that you'd scanned for other instances of 'it' before answering.

Nnnnnope. I'm just quantifying how much BULK gets added to the conversation every time there's an unclear referent that someone has to ask questions about. The best scenario is that every post with an unclear point expands to three posts (one question and one answer), but if there's any confusion (like here) then wow, suddenly we've got half a page of posts that are JUST trying to clear up one minor point in the conversation and nothing can PROGRESS. It's not a matter of stupid, it's a matter of realizing that your habits complicate things, and that depending on everyone else to adjust to you is unreasonable, and will be painful for every single person involved.

 

Yes, that is what I do, and will continue doing.

 

There are no posts that prove your point. That's the problem. We've had other people come in, and look at them, and confirm that no, the posts do not prove your point, they make you look worse.

I am honestly out of ideas. We can't help you. You can't stop doing the thing. We can reduce the damage this causes by throwing well over a hundred of your posts out so people don't see them, but that doesn't help. No form of explanation of the problem, or the solutions, has resulted in any observable improvement. You still do the same things. You keep being insulting, you keep blaming other people for your actions, you keep trying to wade into highly controversial topics where you'd set other people off and more people would be mad at you and say things that would upset you.

Until you are sober enough to understand what people are saying and follow chains of thought and stick with a conversation for more than a few posts before changing topics, nothing we can do can help.

If you want to feel better, get sober. You can keep posting here, we won't kick you out, but it's not doing you any good, and it can't do you any good, because you're not in a place where anything we can do will help.

 

I am approving this so that I can say in full public view that you have been warned COUNTLESS TIMES about using this as a conversational tactic. You need to knock it off. You've heard this before. It's manipulative. It's an abusive tactic. This sentiment is going to start getting wiggled again if you go back to trying to lean on it every two seconds. It's been explained to you WHY this is harmful. Multiple times. We're not going to enable you if you're going to start weaponizing this again.

 

Problem: When people say "Athol's mild personal convenience does not outweigh other people's safety", Athol feels like this means she's "not equal to others".

How do we solve this? We can't. We can't make her not feel like any opposition at all to her freedom to do anything she feels like at any time for any reason, regardless of how it affects other people, can only be understood to mean that she's less than human.

But we can say it's bullshit.

 

(oops, clarification: I was in the mode of 'approve the borderline thing and warn that the behavior is unacceptable and will be wiggled if it continues', except I even said that the thing was... something she'd already been warned about :P My mistake, cross-country travel days are not the best for coherent thought processes, and I've just finished collecting a week's worth of tchgb content and my brain is numb. The post in question (the one I quoted above that has been edited) is in the wiggler now)

 

Mod Note: There was a post here that has now been wiggled, and Spock's post quoting it was edited, because I disagreed that doing the arguing in public was enough reason to make the harmful conduct public.

We really do a terrible job of being a unified oppressive hive mind.

 

lol, ninja'd.

 

Chiomi, we are clearly in perfect lockstep, I don't know how anyone could ever think otherwise

eta: god, ninja'd here too XDDD

 

Honestly I think a good heuristic of subjects to avoid without doing extensive reading first would be 'subjects you're not allowed to bring up at Thanksgiving' like race, religion, gender, politics. Possibly also sports.

 

Oh no, mod infighting.

 

Last time it came up, you wanted cage fighting. :p