Any other players? What do you guys think of the Light vs. Dark event? Personally I've been pulling hard for a Light Side victory, I really want to meet that Chiss Jedi... Anyway yes, this is a thread for the Bioware-produced MMORPG Star Wars: The Old Republic, and its single-player prequels, Knights of the Old Republic and Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. Figured we might as well all lump them together because they're all *more or less* in the same continuity with each other, and out of continuity with the movies. SWTOR's been a special interest of mine for about four or five months now, and I thought it might be fun to find new people to talk to about it. I prefer to play Light Sider Imperials, especially the Bounty Hunter and Sith classes, and my favorite races are Chiss and Twi'lek. How about you guys?
I got a female Smuggler to about 40 before I had to quit because indulging my completionist/achievement collector side was getting too painful. I did enjoy Carth Riggs-Alenko a lot, but then I'm a sucker for Bioware mancandy.
holy shit, that is the most hilarious way to describe Corso EVER (even though I actually don't care for him all that much because I find "chivalrous" male characters INTENSELY grating. Personal taste.) If you ever decide to come back, I think you'd love the mancandy Sith Inquisitors receive. He's a pirate with a sweet tattoo, voiced by Steve Blum <3 Or heck, just watch this video: I kind of ship him and the Sith Warrior's boytoy, in that "opposites don't so much attract as create huge destructive explosions" sort of way.
Sadly my Inquisitor is a dude. (I pretend he's the Smuggler's long lost older brother, because Star Wars.) I also had a Jedi Warrior goody-goody and the blue-skinned (Chiss?) chick Imperial Agent. I have a bad case of the altitis.
I have 13 characters, split mostly Pubs, mostly Lightside. I have yet to make a completely Darkside character. My two mains are my miraluka Sage healer and my human Gunslinger. I tend to roll healers. I have one of each class (Smuggler healing is fucking weird) and then DPS but I've been persuaded to role two tanks. I can't decide if I like Shadow or Knight tanking better, mostly because while I love my Shadow, Force Leap is so unbelievably cool. Corso and his horribly sexist chivalry need to be punched in the face (If I get one more lecture on how ~Ladies~ need to be protected, I swear I will shoot him when he comes back in expansions) Iresso and his weird Jedi fetishism need to be punched in the face. (Dude. Stop insisting that Jedi Romance is Forbidden but Sexy Anyway it's fucking creepy) I want to climb Theran Shan like a tree That said, I'm vaguely intrigued by DvL but mostly I use crafting and the GTN like a stock market to trick out my 'Slinger's sick ass Nar Shadaa Casino. I've decided to turn the big room on the bottom floor into a private Huttball arena. I also have the Yavin IV Temple. They need more non-potted plant decorations. My overgrown Temple does not look nearly overgrown enough. Edit: Contrast Corso with the other "Protective Sweetheart Loner with a Weapon Obsession": Torian Cadera Torian has that same "Don't go in there alone, it's dangerous" mentality, but not once is it "Let me, the Strong and Heroic Man, protect you, Fair Maiden!" It's "Let me watch your six." I'm sure part of the difference, if I want to get meta is that Torian is Mando'ade and Mandos never experience that kind of garbage because gender is irrelevant so long as you can fight. I fucking love Mandos and Spoiler: "Mand'alor's Revenge" I was SO stoked that they made Shae Vizla Mand'alor Whereas Corso is a Stereotype Country Boy but EHN.
So, I just today played Gemini Deception, and can I say: holy shit??? Holy shit????? Oh my god. I did NOT see that one coming! (CellarSpider says she did, but she's a BIG NERD and doesn't count. ;3) In any case I have 19 active characters, 23 total, so I think I'm going to win any contest of altitis. XD Part of me kind of wants to buy another character slot so I can have an even 20 actives, but another part of me thinks no, that's silly...and then a third part of me thinks it might be a good idea to save up my cartel coins for now...I don't know. I'm still thinking about it. I do agree with you, Aviari, about Corso, though I do want to note that the "fair maiden" thing wouldn't bother me NEARLY as much as it does if he didn't have this massive sex-based double standard. The guy will literally execute a helpless and subdued man unless you talk him out of it, but he disapproves of doing the exact same thing to a woman, who has personally wronged you both, less than five minutes later? I just can't stand that kind of hypocrisy. And he's so condescending about it if your Smuggler is female, too. "You ladies sure can be vicious sometimes"? No dude, I'm just imitating *you.* I prefer the LIs who behave with as few differences as possible based on the player character's sex, like Andronikos Revel and Malavai Quinn (it's a running joke between Spider and I that Quinn would be TOTALLY DTF with a male Sith Warrior if only the game would weren't so dang hetero). And of course I adore Torian. The look on his face when he walks into Mand'alor's tent and sees your character...*HAPPY SIGH.* I need to romance him again so I can replay that moment.
Quinn would not only be DTF a M or F Warrior: if he's not a complete bottom for both I will eat my hat. You know who else is a great romance? ARIC JORGAN. Part of this is because Timothy Michael Omundson has such a great voice, but I just love how awkward yet completely sincere he is. On top of how once you earn his respect as his XO he respects the hell out of your trooper. Spoiler: KotFE Reunion Also I actually really liked the fact that the first time he outright says "I love you" is in the middle of a firefight and it's, of course, just kinda blurted out awkwardly like you adorable ridiculous mess I need to smooch you more Also I'm pretty sure Jorgan/Trooper have the only canon kinky relationship, which is hilarious. Aside: TELL ME YOUR RIDICULOUS BACK STORIES FOR YOUR CHARACTERS!!! Like, besides the canon story. All of mine have insanely intertwined stories and my "family tree" is a viny hedge.
I did in fact see the Gemini Deception twist coming Spoiler: Gemini Deception but that's because I'm playing through KoTFE with my Agent and therefore have prior character interactions in mind as I'm doing this. SCORPIO's directive is self-improvement, and it was unlikely that I'd be able to stop her this time from leaving her body and inhabiting a more capable system. As soon as she plugged into the ship's systems there was no way I was going to take any 'dying' on her part seriously. I can't count my alts right now but I think I've got seven total. It's hard for me to do multiple runs of a game that's not, like. The free-form flower-picking -and-maybe-world-saving simulator that is the Elder Scrolls series. Most of my playtime is on Imperial side, with characters that tend towards smart evil. Which by the game's lack of ability to account for intent means I have a whole passel of light side points for my trouble. There's something seriously hilarious about rolling into a boss fight area as a Warrior and saying "Actually, I just want to talk." I actually managed to entirely sidestep a fight with a Jedi Master at one point because of that, despite the fact that he seemed to be spoiling for a fight from moment one. ...Probably due to the fact that game mechanics dictated that I had to squash everyone who didn't have an actual name attached to them, but. Also I completely agree on the Quinn thing. I don't have a female Warrior yet, though, so all I know for certain is that Vette is the most adorable damn thing and she works damn well with my incongruously chatty beefcastle of a Warrior. Imperial side is just more fun to me in general. Drake and I agree that the sith you end up opposed to in Imperial plots are better written: completely bananas, but they have more actual motivations and interesting plans to back up the bananas! My personal favorite is Darth Jadus. He's got his own little competing philosophy going and Spoiler: Agent plot, major variant thereof if you let him get what he wants, they way he spins the destruction that follows is as a battle between isolationist terrorists and his own forces, with the implied that he returned from the dead to save the Empire. All of this so he can spread his philosophy and get a free pass out of having to attend council meetings. Sadly, you don't get to interact with him too much after that point, because that would have required a huge divergence from how the plot goes for everyone else, but it does color a lot of the events that follow. You're made the Hand of Jadus, and that specifically marks you as a threat to the Dark Council. Jadus interacts with you at two major points in all of this: once to order you to collect information on what the Emperor's secretly doing, and once more to announce that he's going into seclusion because of that information you gave him. He ivests you with his authority, but warns that you won't have his protection anymore, which leaves Intelligence vulnerable to what happens in Chapter III. All in all he's a surprisingly good sith boss, but still absolutely bizarre. As a corollary, part of the problem in trying to enjoy Republic side for me is, weirdly, the fact that the Republic people you end up fighting or disagreeing with there are more plausible. Like, the sith are complete nutbars that are pretty unworkable as people, but the Republic characters who are corrupt or just straight-up assholes are more likely to make me think "Oh yeah. I know this guy." And I personally don't ever really get satisfaction out of "well you're an asshole but I just won this bossfight, so ha!" Although, I am pretty well enjoying a Trooper I've made with the express intent of following the Geneva Convention as close as possible. There's less expectation of jedi-ish evangelizing to people who should have known better in the first place, and more just handling the situations as they come. It also means getting along pretty dang well with Jorgan, which is a nice bonus.
Vette is so great. Much sass, very adorbs. I play entirely female, but Vette may convince me to make at least a throwaway Dark vs Light toon to romance her. UGH WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK I wanna gush about this ridiculous game.
Oh man. You have opened the floodgates, my friend. I only have three major headcanon piles of crazy, but this might get a little tl;dr. My Agent character (Miurani'ssu'nuruodo) is a Chiss born in the Ascendancy, who left to work in Imperial Intelligence due to lack of family connections that would have left him disadvantaged at home. I always found it weird that the very isolationist Chiss have a relatively high emigration rate during this period, so I have a sociopolitical headcanon that the Ascendancy has a bit of a jobs deficit at this point, so they're both taking careful steps towards increasing their territory and encouraging some of those without connections to the Ruling Families to work elsewhere. Moving to Imperial space was a pretty rude shock for him, because yeah, he knew about the "anti-alien" prejudice in the Empire, but... he's Chiss! That's not alien, that's normal. Beyond that, Ascendancy culture tends to value a more emotionally reserved approach, and is pretty risk-averse. When the CEDF encounters something they haven't prepared for or fail in an objective, they're more likely to make a strategic retreat and examine what went wrong rather than ONCE MORE INTO THE BREACH MY FRIENDS. The Intelligence bureau with its cold professionalism should have felt familiar, but the stuff you get tossed into in Chapter 1 was basically too chaotic for him to handle and wore him down pretty bad. Combine that with the broad emotional expression and volatility of the sith or even just Imperial citizenry and he ended up making a major choice at the end of Chapter 1 based more on mental fatigue and anger at how he'd been treated, rather than on what was probably best for the Empire. Further outside the game plot, he's also eventually in contact with a couple of Drake's Warriors, which is super fun. tl;dr Oh god stop the ride he wants to get off. ...You're not stopping the ride? Well bugger every single one of you. My Warrior (Rejalgar) is the aforementioned chatty beefcastle and jedi-confuser extraordinaire. He started out hardcore dark, though. His Pureblood sith mother had him with a mandalorian mercenary, and given the general Pureblood angst about preserving old bloodlines, he was from day one a family disgrace. He wasn't given a formal education (thus why he completely spaces on the Sith Code as an acolyte), but for a long time was tacitly allowed to leave the family estate to make friends with various other non-Pureblood delinquents. Eventually he did something that caused too much family embarrassment and was basically put under house arrest. In the tension that followed, he ended up finally manifesting Force powers by bringing down a ceiling on one of his half-siblings, and that ended him up in prison. Fortunately for him, this was some time after the Sith loosened restrictions on who would be accepted to the Korriban Academy. His sentence was deffered, and when Overseer Tremel started looking for someone to counteract the ~dilution of sith purity~ that was going on, he saw this new acolyte's family name and that was good enough. Given his late start compared to other Purebloods and a truckload of self-esteem issues from his upbringing, he overcompensated by going super dark on pretty much everything except for how he treated Vette. This lasted up until he killed a certain mortally wounded someone on Tattooine, and realized how pointless it had been. From then on, he still believed in Dark Side philosophy, but in an increasingly abstract sense. The Dark Side to him is more about channeling your passions into self-improvement and exploration of how the Force functions, rather than myopic focus on anger. His hobbies include sewing, eating artery-clogging street food and boosting speeders with Vette, and cleaning Broonmark with a wire brush. He's collected enough shed Talz fur to make Vette a pair of woolen lekku warmers. He's also had some run-ins with one of Drake's Consulars, because we do a lot of headcanon crossovers. I also have a bounty hunter that I haven't done too much with yet who's his fraternal twin sister, spirited away from their family as a baby. She will be awesome when I get around to playing more with her. tl;dr Being angry all the time gives him heartburn. Low-key evil leads to a happier, healthier sith. The last out of my characters that I have any particular big headcanons for is my trooper (Krikthasi). Professional soldier, morally opposed to doing anything that breaks the laws of war, and has thus ended up as remarkably insubordinate so far (I'm only in Chapter 1 with him). When he gets the chance, he relaxes on Havoc Squad's ship with a pile of fuzzy blankets and an extensive collection of nature documentaries about fish. He really just loves sea life, you guys. Any shore leave that can possibly include the beach or an aquarium trip, he is so there. He's demisexual, so he's probably not going to end up romancing anyone unless enough of an emotional connection gets built up. Sadly, the game does not allow for friendly cuddling while relaxing and watching David Spacenborough talk about fish. tl;dr no ma'am he is not going to kill the prisoners he is going to get all their paperwork processed and then slowly lull Jorgan into unconsciousness by talking about squid for two hours straight.
The romance is so keyboard-smashingly cute. Also some of the lines you can say for her character plot are just hilarious coming out of the male warrior. You can deflect Crystal's attempt to recruit Vette on Nar Shaddaa by saying no actually you're looking for a job as an exotic dancer and you'd look fantastic in Crystal's outfit.
Oh man I managed to completely forget one of my characters somehow. His entire concept is basically working backwards from my own irritation at the relative paucity of objectified male characters I see running around in-game, particularly compared to all the bikinis and slave girl costumes. So I made an Inquisitor with the express purpose of being an excuse to dress him up in something ...clothing-adjacent from the GTM. He is a very Empowered pureblood ex-slave who had no idea he was Force-sensitive thanks to his slave collar secretly including a power dampener, after an incident when he was two and a tantrum over putting on socks wrecked a room, and then his startled crying jag knocked out the power. The way that everyone treats a new Inquisitor on Korriban was super offensive to him because he was expensive before he got there, damn it. He was at the top of the bottom of the totem pole and now he's at the bottom of the top and it's super not fun. It's in no way a serious character, I'm just indulging on playing a complete catty bastard wearing 20% of a shirt. I am very thankful that the pureblood face I picked out appears to have subtle winged eyeliner going on because it's frigging perfect for this guy. He's only just started Chapter 1 and he's already expecting Zash is up to no good, almost entirely based off of the fact that she's denying him general praise for his accomplishments and making him touch gross stuff on Balmorra. Edit: He's also the template for the throwaways I'm going to be doing for further Light vs. Dark characters: just a conga line of men in Very Practical Armor that makes them Very Agile and Distracts The Enemy. I am committed to this pointless but amusing crusade now.
Here We Go: Main Jedi: Healing Sage Xausoi Otsoa. More or less a clan matriarch of the organization that involves all my alts and most of Husband's. It's a cross-faction group of yahoos that have basically decided that all the infighting is useless and it will be good for everyone if we work together under the radar. She works closely with my Trooper, Saetha Brightwolf, whose main purpose in life is rakghoul eradication. Imperial War can be put on hold for a while, thanks. Saetha was on a pre-rakghoul spec ops mission when she encountered a Bounty Hunter named Romsca Redfang going after the same target. They pooled resources, got the guy, and then it went pear-shaped and explodey. Romsca was nearly strangled to death by a dangling electrical cord and Saetha lost an eye to burning fuel splatter. They save each other and end up bloodsisters. Several years later, the now-Mandalorian Redfang gets a 2a holo from her super secret Imperial Agent twin. Cipher 9 13 was just called into the office of the newest Sith Council Member and revolutionary Adaea ne Miraba'ar aka "The Slave Queen" or "The Uncrowned Empress". Her private war with Malgus and her controversial policies have made her a high value target to the point that she wants to get in contact with Xausoi's organization immediately, possibly to defect, because Adaea has something that could turn the tide of the war. Romsca calls Saetha, Saetha calls Xau, who agrees to be smuggled onto Drommud Kaas for a rendezvous. Instead of a calm meeting with a powerful and dangerous Sith Council Member, Xau ends up in a massive firefight that will eventually be brushed off as a "slave uprising" with a heavily pregnant True Sith she probably could have been good friends with, and leaves Drommud Kaas with Adaea's gift in her arms: a True Sith child named Tzana that will be raised in safety as a Jedi to become the perfect deep-cover agent Jedi Shadow. Xau escapes in a shuttle and watches Adaea summon enough lightning to tear more than a mile of Kaas jungle down on the Imperial Army and herself. Several years after THAT, Saetha's daughter becomes Pirate Queen and Wolf of Rishi. Of course, the decorated Republic Colonel can't have a pirate kid. Her daughter tragically died in a ship-to-ship battle with pirates shortly before she would have earned herself a dishonorable discharge for blatant, repeated insubordination and was given the rank of Captain posthumously. Captain Aviari has no relation whatsoever, nope, and no one knows where the hell Brightwolf gets all her underworld Intel. Avi is in a triad relationship with her boyfriend Theron Shan and her wife, an ex-slave Twi'lek named Nikta. Nikta has two huge, ugly, cris-crossing scars across her lovely face and an impeccable (forced breeding) pedigree: her mother was Toborro's favorite dancer, and her father was Karagga's #1 Huttball pitfighter. She was sold very, very young into a wealthy near-legitimate crime lord's harem , and very quickly made herself unsellable by smashing a priceless Corellian vase over the head of her buyer's son, then slitting his throat and her own face with one of the shards. She was left for dead in a dumpster and picked up by Aviari (and thus Does Not Appreciate Corso's insistence on ladylike behavior because she could have been a Lady and did a lot of horrible things to prevent it.) And then there's Xau's other padawan, the Rist noble with a knack for telekinesis, Mind Tricks and having sordid affairs with my husband's smuggler. Her gift with telepathy results in some terrifying shenanigans involving the Esh'ka. .... and that's only half of them.
Got the Battle Of Odessen Early Launch. Results: This is in no way surprising and we are completely, utterly fucked. Spoiler: Jedi Sage: Mercy Run Left Arcann alive. Good job art dept making him look like the utterly pitiful and lost little boy he is when you kick his ass. It might actually be difficult for my 'Slinger to shoot him out of the sky. Am completely unsurprised that they put Vaylin on the throne, it's been hinted forever, but I did not expect Vaylin/SCORPIO TBFFFs (Terrifying Best Fucking Friends Forever). That was a nice touch.
Way to go self, start a new thread for the purpose of making friends right before you get a tooth extracted and lose all your spoons for talking to people for nearly three weeks. Great timing there. But THIS! This is exciting! And also wow. Spoiler: New KOTFE chapter I kind of had a feeling Vaylin would end up in power (if Senya didn't pull a Samara and kill her first) but wow, her and SCORPIO? Was not expecting that. I'd actually had myself half-convinced that Bioware was pulling a big old fake-out on us setting SCORPIO up as our enemy, because I just couldn't see how we'd given her any *reason* to oppose us. Should've remembered: she's kind of a sadist. Not sure how well her cool calculating approach to murder will mesh with Vaylin's "I killed all three of them, and then three more because I hate odd numbers" approach, though. OH, thought I had a couple hours ago: as the Official Original Poster of this thread, I hereby decree that fanart, stories, and fanworks in general, insofar as they relate to SWTOR and KOTOR, are both permitted and highly welcome in this thread. Give me the stories you've written about your characters. Give me your fanart! Videos! Whatever! The official drawing thread moves way too fast and I feel weird about trying to have an actual discussion there, so post them here!
This forum will be the death of me and my determination not to write the ridiculous saga of my characters because none of y'all need that much drama and sex
I didn't really factor in SCORPIO's sadism so much as her end goal is Spoiler: beep boop whrrrrrrrr! Technological singularity. Her whole deal is that she's "more than a machine". I do wonder if she thought of the GEMINI as her "children" the whole time, I didn't get that impression. I wasn't surprised that she gave them all free will as soon as she got the chance though.
Second Run: 'Slinger Kinda Dickish Run Spoiler: YOU SON OF A BITCH So, my 'Slinger is kinda awful. Very self-serving pirate. Therefore, she and Kaliyo get on like a house fire, and domestic terrorism was right up her alley because fuck Arcann and Zakuul, amirite? Naturally, Koth was Not Happy and fucked off. Well he comes back to help fight Arcann! Yay! NO. NOT YAY. FUCKER PUT MY BOYFRIEND AND CREW IN CUFFS AND STOLE MY FUCKING SHIP. Koth is a dead man walking.
Spoiler: whrrrrrrr is a deadly insult among my people Yeah, I was totally sold on the "the GEMINIs are cheap imitations and must be destroyed" cover story. But knowing what we know now, it's pretty clear to me that this must have been her plan all along. She tried for five years to take over the Eternal Throne on her own and couldn't do it, so she joined forces with us. She USED us, to put it bluntly. God I love her. Manipulative lying Metropolis robot of my heart. (My mom only knows her as "the Metropolis robot" from looking over my shoulder sometime when I play, and was totally heart-broken when I told her that SCORPIO faked her own death and betrayed us. Metropolis-bot, nooooo! She's also called Broonmark "a walking cactus" and then corrected herself by calling him an echnida after she got a good look at his face. My mom is adorable.
