Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    The judicial review keeps getting jucier.

    Jucidial Review...
     
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  2. Existrum

    Existrum Member

    None of this.
    You don’t apologize for cultural conditioning.
    You don’t apologize for trying to come up with different ways to remember someone’s gender, BUT if something you have done in that attempt has caused harm you apologize for the harm you caused and promise to make an effort not to repeat the specific thing that caused harm.
    You don’t apologize for being stupid.
    You don’t lie.

    Let me give you a few examples of some decent apologies.

    “I apologize for misgendering you, I will try to remember next time.”
    “I’m sorry my use of nickname was offensive, I will try to remember not to do that again.” (You can maybe even add something like “I meant it to help remember to use your correct pronouns, but since it has made you unhappy I understand that this is not acceptable.”)
    “I apologize for taking so long to give you an apology.” (If apologies are something you struggle with, maybe you can mention that! “I have a hard time apologizing for things when I am very emotional about them, even though it has taken me far too long to apologize for my actions I hope you can accept this in good faith.”)
     
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  3. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Ach, too much... Can someone condense things that need to be responded to?
     
  4. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    How are people still interacting with this person like she's anything but a malignant narcissistic abuser? Gathering these quotes took less than a minute and there's a plethora of other examples in other threads, not to mention the truly vile stuff in the wriggler.

    "If you stopped provoking me I wouldn't have to hurt you. Why do you make me do this to you?"

    The drunken rambling doesn't quite cover up the rotten narcissist center.
     
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  5. Ipuntya

    Ipuntya return of eggplant

    you seem to have come under the misconception that anyone here has any obligation to engage with you. every last person on this forum could stop engaging with your posts and block you, and every last mod could decide they don't have the emotional energy to sift through your posts for approval, and none of us would be in the wrong for doing so. no one is under any obligation to interact with you.

    if you are unable to be polite to people and continue to punish them for interacting with you, then don't be surprised when you end up entirely alone. you will likely be the only person in the entire world who finds any fault with this. given this knowledge, would you still think every last other person aside from yourself is wrong?
     
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  6. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    Man, one would think that after the second, maybe third forum that decided you were behaving really badly, you'd get some kinda hint as to a pattern.
     
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  7. Ipuntya

    Ipuntya return of eggplant

    furthermore, it is your sole responsibility to bridge the communication gap between yourself and the rest of the world.

    you might think that this is unfair, but life isn't fair. tough shit.

    we can try to help you if we feel like it, but we've got no obligation to, and ultimately you'll still end up being the one who has to bridge the gap. no one can change this.

    either suck it up and clean yourself up so you can get to work, or stay miserable for the rest of your life. these are the two choices that life has given you, there is no sense in sugarcoating it. it's unfair, yes, but it's also just the way it is for you, and no one can do anything about it but yourself.
     
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  8. palindromordnilap

    palindromordnilap Well-Known Member

    While I understand the accumulated frustration, it's rather interesting to imagine someone who just came back from a few months of taking a break for the forum and coming back to read the stuff all the people here are saying. "Wait, what? Did the forum culture just completely change while I wasn't looking, or-- oh, its literally just for this person?"
    Again, I understand the previous context regarding this. But do you think you would be able to make progress if you were treated this way? For fuck's sake, we basically just had a mod say "She's a narcissistic abuser, that means she's beyond all hope of recovery, everyone should just stop interacting with her".
     
  9. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    That's not what I said but okay Alix.
     
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  10. palindromordnilap

    palindromordnilap Well-Known Member

    Would you say anything like that about someone you wanted to see get better?
     
  11. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    Sure, Alix.

    Like, I dunno why you think I'm going to explain myself to you.
     
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  12. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    I mean, yes, and demonstrably so.
     
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  13. Ipuntya

    Ipuntya return of eggplant

    do you think she would make any better progress if she were treated differently? i'm doubtful. posts made in both malice and best of intentions are read as being just the same. the communication barrier prevents almost all distinction. it is beyond us to enable her recovery, but she might be able to succeed herself.

    though that still doesn't change our insignificance to it.
     
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  14. Existrum

    Existrum Member

    The thread has definitely picked up the pace. If you feel at all overwhelmed I recommend you just take a short amount of time to relax if possible before coming back to the thread. Maybe just listen to some of your favorite songs, watch a few episodes of your favorite show, eat your favorite snack, and then see if you feel up to coming back and looking over our responses. It is hard for the conversation to meaningfully progress if you are too stressed to focus.
     
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  15. palindromordnilap

    palindromordnilap Well-Known Member

    Because you're a mod of this fucking forum. I'm starting to see Rigs's point on staff accountability, honestly.
     
  16. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    The moment I'm required to provide anyone with free emotional labor I'll be sure to put you at the top of the list.
     
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  17. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    Hi I'm literally in this position and if this was the first or even third thread resulting in abuse toward the community and mods with " you made me do it" language from athol I'd be agreeing with you. I've been giving her the benefit of the doubt, painstakingly explaining things.
    Her behavior is both narcissistic and abusive. Pretending it isn't is a disservice to any attempt at getting better.
     
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  18. rigel

    rigel in a line of late afternoon sun

    not to be a massive dick but have you just completely forgotten that people have been trying to help her for months, with minimal progress, let alone reward? no one is actually 100% always obligated to be nice to her, especially if they get yelled at and demeaned and apparently are assigned new names and pronouns for the crime of uh, interacting with her? trying to help?

    if you remember cdcf at all, i can tell you for fucking certain, people being nice to me and explaining things didnt super help, because i wasnt in the right headspace to accept that i was in the wrong. people being mean didnt help, either. what helped was me smarting the fuck up and realizing for myself what was wrong. similarly, this is on her. if she wants to change, she needs to take initiative. its not anyones duty to be her scapegoat or punching bag until then, though. no one has to put up with that on the off chance that perhaps she'll become a better person out of it. other people are not sacrifices for greallens personal growth.

    like. sure that doesnt mean she should be treated like shit! but i think its unfair to say that perhaps people shouldnt be openly frustrated with someone who is vicious towards them both in public and even worse behind closed doors.

    so sure. greallen might feel like shit seeing that. im sure the mods arent too keen on having to deal with someone who consistently refuses to learn, or consider that perhaps, just maybe, she's been extremely fucking nasty. people are tired. people are allowed to be tired. the mods shouldnt be expected to just deal with everything with a smile, especially when theyre continually being belittled and insulted.
     
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  19. palindromordnilap

    palindromordnilap Well-Known Member

    Ah, the good old "this is Emotional Labor, I don't have to explain anything to you!"
    If you can't do that, you shouldn't be in the staff of a forum geared around recovery.
     
  20. Petra

    Petra space case

    What the fuck, Alix.
     
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