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Discussion in 'Your Bijou Blogette' started by jacktrash, Dec 16, 2018.

  1. Lizardlicks

    Lizardlicks Friendly Neighborhood Lizard

    It was The 90s Look. Spouse and I also had much hair.
     
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  2. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    idea i'm sorta chewing on: a minecraft addon to help me memorize katakana. items with katakana syllables on them drop as loot, and you can combine them in the crafting table to create the thing they spell. since katakana is the syllabary used to spell foreign words, i wouldn't have to spell the japanese words for things, so i don't have to learn the script and the vocab at the same time. although i guess i could expand it to have the japanese words also be valid recipes.

    i can't actually do this because i don't know java, but if i did, obvs programming it would probably cause me to memorize katakana quite nicely.
     
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  3. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    the katakana addon idea is the result of a more general thought i've had tumbling around in my head for the past few days: i want there to be more educational games that are GAMES first and foremost.

    most educational games -- especially for adult level learning -- aren't really games. they're lectures or worksheets with some bells and whistles stuck on. they have lesson plans and they give tests, or they're simulations of such narrow scope that you wouldn't play them for their own sake. i got to thinking about this because we were watching the 'carmen sandiego' cartoon, and even though it's tremendously cute, the geography information is so pasted on that it just flies right past me and i don't really remember it. it's not something that's integrated into the experience.

    i was thinking about that, and then about how seebs and nick like to play these super complicated space exploration games, and how i've put so much time into learning how to do stuff in a hundred different minecraft mods that if i was getting paid for it i could live on it.

    why can i focus and learn in minecraft, but not in duolingo?

    the flippant answer is "because minecraft is fun," but it's more nuanced than that. i've had fun educational experiences that didn't manage to make the lessons stick in my head. and i've been frustrated as hell with some minecraft stuff, but even if i want to give the jackass who came up with grid power the mother of all swirlies, i still will never forget how it works. because i used that information, and i used it enough to make it stay, and i got something i wanted out of using it. something more satisfying than a checkmark or a ding or the words 'good job'. i mean, maybe it was only pixel ingots of imaginary metals, or whatever, but they let me have more fun, building stuff and fighting monsters and exploring.

    what i sincerely wish existed, and would pay cash dollars for, is games that are fun in the real way, with lots of things to do besides take in information and spit it back out, but which integrate new information into the game in such a way that you're motivated to work with it. where you learn vocab not just to click a button and get told you're right or wrong, but to upgrade your sword, or buy a funny hat for your animal friends, or whatever. (i mean, it doesn't have to be a fight/explore game, i am all about the crafting and play way more animal crossing than your average fortysomething.)

    anyhow, maybe something like that exists and i just haven't found it yet. i don't think i'm in a position to create it myself. i'm not an expert on anything that can be taught that way, and i can't program worth a damn, and frankly i don't have any good ideas for the game part either. i certainly don't have the time, executive function, or business acuity to assemble a game development team.

    but someday i might just manage to write a small minecraft mod. so that's what i'm thinking about.
     
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  4. Acey

    Acey draw the line dividing laugh and scream

    That is a really excellent idea that I super wish existed, damn. It really is so much easier to learn things when you’re actively having fun—that’s probably why Schoolhouse Rock was so effective for me, actually, the fact that I legitimately dug the music and it didn’t feel like the Boring Kind Of Learning. A language-learning game that was genuinely fun as a game would be fucking amazing, and would probably be helpful for a lot of people!
     
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  5. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    I've had very similar thoughts in a slightly different context (my mom knows a clinician who has a computer setup with a program that measures stuff like reaction time on a bunch of minigames to estimate things like working memory, with intent to help teach kids with brainweird how to focus better). Unfortunately, it seems like the people interested in making Improving(TM) games and the people interested in making fun games don't seem to talk much; the closest things I can think of to educational games that are actually enjoyable are a) for elementary schoolers or b) lightweight puzzle games that might incidentally improve math/logic/ability to identify words that can be formed from a jumble of letters. And it's not like it would be that hard to, say, make an extension to Duolingo that extends the gamification much farther.
     
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  6. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    you know what would be really boss, would be a big sandbox game like minecraft or some of the mmo's, where you have lots of questing and interesting stuff to do, that included assorted lessons as like seasonal events, sort of thing.

    you know how in fantasy mmo's, there's always some winter festival event where you collect snowballs or fight the ghost of winters past or something? there's all these minigames, and special items you can get, and so on. well, imagine a game that has a different event every few weeks, but instead of being idk like the elf flower festival or whatever, it's the geology event. and you quest to get a rock hammer and testing kit, and there are npc's that need different minerals for different purposes, and you go prospecting for them and bring back samples, and that's how you get tokens and items for the special flying zamboni mount or what-have-you.

    so the majority of your game time is spent exploring and fighting wild zombie hockey players etcetera, not cramming data into your brain all by itself, dry and crumbly. you're playing a game. you're having fun. you just happen to also print indelibly onto your memory that kimberlite is associated with diamonds, because you need 60 of those damn diamonds to get the flying zamboni.

    also, the game should really have a flying zamboni. because i want one.
     
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  7. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    Hmm. There's some things that are sort of in this genre, a little -- like microcorruption, which uses a simulator of an actual real-world CPU to simulate how a large category of security attacks work, and let you reproduce them by running actual code on an actual (emulated) CPU, and messing with its inputs. So some of the issue is that we have games that are somewhat built around learning how to use or do things -- but they tend to be focused on things that are designed to be more fun to do, because the default real-world things are not as well balanced.
     
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  8. Enzel

    Enzel androgynous jrpg protag

    https://lrnj.com/

    this is actually how i started learning kana, it's very...rough...and i was honestly surprised the website still exists like ten years later haha. It's basically a really old school 8 bit rpg-type thing. Idk if it has the amount of depth you're looking for but might be worth a try?
     
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  9. Codeless

    Codeless Cheshire Cat

    God I know that feel. I was super happy to hear there was a version of Portal you can teach physics on, only to find it was your average lesson just in game using a cube.
     
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  10. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    I feel like you'll get a little bit of that in anything where the creators did their research and showed their work, honestly. Like, I learned a fair bit of mythology from Shin Megami Tensei, and there's games with crafting and cooking systems detailed enough to actually help people learn This Is How You Make Thing. I think the hardest part about building a whole game around it would be the marketing- you'd need to figure out how to sell it so you don't have either the people who come to have knowledge shoveled into their heads disappointed that they're spending most of their time fighting hockey zombies or the people who come to fight hockey zombies disappointed that they're being expected to learn geology.
     
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  11. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    tooth hurty :(
     
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  12. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    beautiful princess seebs, posting here because tumblr's insane bot flagged the post as porn

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  13. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    what i'm aiming for, conceptually, is games where learning geology is no harder or more arbitrary than learning which pelts drop from which beasts, or where to dive for magic pearls, or how to seed fluix crystals and craft them into storage components, or whatever. at no point would there be a test or a teaching moment like "red striped sedementary rocks are called what?" -- just a quest to bring in x amount of iron ore, and the information that it can be found in banded iron formations. the flavortext from the questgiver could mention that these are pretty much rust deposits, laid down when the atmosphere began to get oxygenated, but it wouldn't just be an infodump. it'd be part of the Lore, and it'd help you find them, by mentioning that you'd look in places that were oceans a billion years ago. this clue could help you locate the right places to dig by asking other npc's if they know of that kind of stone nearby.

    like, all of this is exactly the same kind of questing you do for arbitrary maguffins in adventure games already. the idea is to make it a science item instead of an arbitrary maguffin, and make the clues science clues instead of made up lore.

    not everyone would find that more interesting. but not everyone has to. i'm not aiming to outcompete warcraft, just to make something that's more fun than the latest slapped-together 5-whole-minutes-of-almost-fun browser game on joe random edu-site.

    (edit: initially typoed 'sedentary' rocks and now imagining banded iron formation lying on the couch going "i dun wanna")
     
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  14. TheSeer

    TheSeer 37 Bright Visionary Crushes The Doubtful

    When I was a kid I once got that mixed up the other way and described a cat as "sedimentary."
     
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  15. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    carbon is stored in the cat
     
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    jacktrash absentee sperglord

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  17. Wingyl

    Wingyl Allegedly Magic

    looks like zelda
     
  18. jacktrash

    jacktrash absentee sperglord

    i know it's zelda, that's the joke i was making, that it could as easily be minecraft. maybe it wasn't a very funny joke.
     
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    jacktrash absentee sperglord

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