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  1. jacktrash

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    if that’s the case, the key to world peace is figuring out how people can live in small communities but be fully linked to resources, infrastructure, and economy.

    and it’s like... we can DO that. it’s possible!
     
    jacktrash, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:30 PM
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  2. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    i'm not wholly sure i agree with this analysis, but it does seem in-line with pro-war arguments from people that i wouldn't categorize as "deliberate bad actors" (such as "oh hey, a profit")

    in any event "figuring out how people can live in small communities but be fully linked to resources, infrastructure, and economy" is still a solution i can get behind
     
    idiomie, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:33 PM
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  3. jacktrash

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    not sure how one would get a pro-war argument from that. my position is that the justifications for war are, at a basic level, developed to explain a deep urge we don’t know we’re feeling. what’s the term for that phenomenon where people come up with logic to justify their decision rather than making decisions based on the logic?
     
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    jacktrash, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:39 PM
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  4. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    oh! i'm not sure if i communicated right - a number of my family are military, and pro-military/military engagement which then turns into being "pro war" and i was seeing a connection to the things they say and what you described, i wasn't saying/trying to say that you were making a pro-war argument

    and the logic you presented, about feeling threatened with overcrowding and instinctively that whoever the "other" is is going to harm "me and mine," is very in keeping with, say, arguments my uncles have made in favor of american militarism, and why they joined and why "oh yeah bush was ... not great" but that they still support american military involvement. one of my uncles (lmao not the ones that served tho) has literally said "we need to be the top dogs in the yard or they'll come for us" - it's not... it's not directly overcrowding related, but idk it felt similar to the ways they'll phrase things

    (or you just have the weird paternalism that also runs in pro-military circles, the, "ah but these savages would not know how to live or mediate their conflicts if not for us americans involving our military in their affairs")
     
    idiomie, Jul 24, 2019 at 6:49 PM
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  5. kmoss

    kmoss whoops

    I always figured war was about scarcity in general. usually land/space is that thing, but most wars I can think of were because of resources
    I think
     
    kmoss, Jul 24, 2019 at 7:37 PM
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  6. Lizardlicks

    Lizardlicks Friendly Neighborhood Lizard

    If not scarcity out right then the fear/anticipation of an actual or imagined scarcity. Does having a monopoly actually benefit anyone? No. You'll reach a point of plateau where you'll never be able to do anything with all that you have in just your life time or even several lifetimes, and it will be actively harming the community you rely on. Does it satisfy your primal little monkey brain it's perceived ability to provide for itself and its family/tribe to sit on a massive hoard and smugly smug at all the other monkeys? You bet your ass*

    *Side note: I got the brain that gets a dopamine hit from giving more than hoarding so ymmv.
     
    Lizardlicks, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:15 PM
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  7. jacktrash

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    me too, but it’s not incompatible with violent protectiveness of the tribe. i don’t think scarcity really explains a lot of conflicts. historically, a lot of them are one guy wanting to be the big banana, and he happened to have an army. but in order to have a war, you need huge buy-in from the general citizenry. they have to feel that war is permissible and accomplishes a thing that they want accomplished. otherwise you’re just dragging a bunch of cringing draftees into a meat grinder and you’ll lose hard.

    that’s where the primate urge to territorial violence comes in, and what i’m saying is that basically everyone is low key freaked out on it all the time, because our monkeysphere can’t encompass our community.
     
    jacktrash, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:10 PM
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  8. cosmofex

    cosmofex trans lesbian extraordinaire

    omg monkeysphere

    the layer of the earth composed of or occupied by monkeys

    does this mean that theres other "-sphere" derivatives? is there an anthroposphere? maybe a skoupidiasphere, the part of earth composed of trash! wait, no. morosphere- the layer of the earth composed of or occupied by foolishness

    i wonder how closely the monkeysphere matches the morosphere and the anthroposphere.
     
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  9. Kodachi

    Kodachi Well-Known Member

    In the old days maybe. In the modern world, I think the primary cause of war is lust for power, and too many layers between those making the decisions and those doing the dying. Decision makers who believe "It's not enough that I succeed, others must also fail."
    If you're going to build an authoritarian, totalitarian government you need to be constantly at war to have excuses to continually violate the rights and freedoms of the people.
    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
     
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  10. jacktrash

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    all that is true. what i’m trying clumsily to convey is, this wouldn’t work at all if people weren’t already subconsciously convinced of a threat they ought to be kicking somebody’s ass about.
     
    jacktrash, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:02 PM
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  11. jacktrash

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    i mean frankly i think the direct motive for war in the developed world is mostly profit. just direct dollar value profit from the military budget. powerful men hand government contracts around to cement their alliances the way they used to hand around their daughters.

    the idea i’m poking at is, i reckon if individuals didn’t feel their families were under threat, their individual, immediate reaction to being hit up for money for fighter jets would be the same as when any other tax increase is proposed: “wow, fuck off.”

    but military budget always seems exempt from tax whining. people who will happily ignore cracked pavement and rusty water to save three dollars a year will pony up a hundred without complaints for no specific return as long as it’s military spending. and how much of it ends up diverted into the pockets of a few billionaires doesn’t bother them at all.

    previous explanations for this phenomenon have not worked for me. they tend to rest on dehumanizing the unwashed masses.
     
    jacktrash, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:15 PM
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  12. jacktrash

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    i went to the bathroom without my cane! maybe tomorrow i can test out my wheelchair! it arrived yesterday and i sat in it and rolled back and forth a little, but my house is absolutely not set up for wheelchair use. i think the only clear area big enough for me to even turn in place is my bedroom. which is fine since what i need it for is distance, not moving around the house.

    anyhow, got meds sorted out, and hopefully dr choi will drain the cysts so i can wait til january for the surgery. and i can spend the remainder of summer and fall zooming around town in my wheely catching em all.
     
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  13. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    okay, yeah! and then what i, also clumsily, was trying to convey was, "that sounds in keeping with what my military family have said" - the actually-military (as opposed to military wannabes) in my family are generally opposed to war-for-war's-sake (because all of them actually saw combat and man, being cannon fodder sucks ass) but ... they got some sorta kneejerk around "i feel threatened; conflict solved by violence" that means they like, retroactively justify p much all war as having been "actually" necessary

    i think war today is driven by profit and lust for power... but i think the generalized support and the bodies it gets seem reasonably explained by what you posited
     
    idiomie, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:09 AM
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  14. Kodachi

    Kodachi Well-Known Member

    With regard to motives (true and perceived) for war, dehumanizing those "other people", etc., this guy really seems to know what he's talking about. I've watched most if not all of his videos, and it's extremely rare that he says something I don't agree with:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/unvoicedproject
     
    Kodachi, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
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  15. jacktrash

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    i’ll check it out later, i’m not parsing speech well today. unless you have a link to transcripts?
     
    jacktrash, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:17 PM
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  16. Kodachi

    Kodachi Well-Known Member

    Best I can think of would be to turn on captions and turn down the volume?

    But his southern accent is worth listening to.
     
    Kodachi, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:25 PM
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  17. jacktrash

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    the auto generated captions are worse than useless, but oddly his accent makes his voice easier for me to follow. the segments are pretty short. i reckon i’ll check out a few every so often.



    forum won’t let me embed that, maybe it’ll work as a link. anyhow, a goddamn good point there, about how atf agents start out as city cops. and this is why the republicans are promoting racism as hard as they can, because if poor folks team up, they’re screwed.
     
    jacktrash, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:40 PM
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  18. jacktrash

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    oh, i know why his accent is easier to follow. he varies his speed. it’s got a rhythm to it. he never falls into that drone that makes my sensory processing disorder shut my speech center off.
     
    jacktrash, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM
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  19. Kodachi

    Kodachi Well-Known Member

    Kodachi, Jul 26, 2019 at 3:38 PM
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  20. jacktrash

    jacktrash spherical sockbox

    jacktrash, Jul 26, 2019 at 5:30 PM
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