Fandom Gripes Thread

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by keltena, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. Bunny

    Bunny aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    With undertake a lot of people seem to forget that how to pacifist is not actually obvious. I have been watching some blind playthroughs lately and learning how to spare Toriel, Papyrus and Undyne is hard. The hints stand out much better on subsequent playthroughs. And Frisk the character sure doesn't have the spoiler benefit of most of the fandom knowing that pacifism is possible.

    It's actually kind of depressing to think of a kid who lets the monsters beat the tar out of them first time round. Who would compliment the froggit to get it to stop beating them up.
     
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  2. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    I for one threatened the froggit
     
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  3. garden

    garden lucid dreamer

    Yeah, in my very first playthrough I killed Toriel, not figuring out how to spare her (actually, I was hoping I could simply whittle down her health to where it'd be low enough she'd accept a spare; nope, she just dies). I also killed Undyne because I couldn't figure out that I was supposed to flee, but found that kill horrifying enough that I ended up crying, looking up how to spare her, and reloading my save so I could spare her. (Because, wow, the neutral-timeline Undyne death is horrifying.)

    And that was me trying to go pacifist! If you're not really trying, your first playthrough can be very neutral.
     
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  4. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    Anecdata: My roommates also couldn't figure out how to spare Toriel the first time through.
     
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  5. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    I managed it without spoilers mostly by way of sheer stubbornness. Undyne in particular was hard for me to figure out but I refused to kill her. So I just ended up dying repeatedly because I knew I could get through the game without killing anyone and by god I was going to.
     
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  6. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    i killed toriel, the dogi couple, undyne and muffet on my first playthrough. i might also have killed some of the randomly spawning enemies too but i'm not completely sure of that.
     
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  7. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    I went into Undertale knowing you could kill everyone and no one, and figured that I wouldn't be able to muster up the courage to do a Genocide run if I was in any way invested in the characters, so that's what I set out to do. Played through Undertale twice, killed exactly one mob ever. Cheated a lot.
     
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  8. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    SGDQ approaches. There is going to be another Dark Souls 3 run.

    let's see how you behave this year dark souls 3 speed community let's see
     
  9. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    correction: i remembered wrong. i spared muffet.
     
  10. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    uggggggh I made the mistake of looking in someone's Stormlight tag and remembered one of the reasons I don't engage much with the Tumblr fandom for that series.

    Spoilers for the second book.
    There's a bit towards the end of Words of Radiance when Kaladin and Shallan fall down a chasm on the Shattered Plains, and it's my favorite part of the book. They've been antagonistic towards each other all book, especially because a) Kaladin has an extremely negative opinion of nobles in general due to his long history of having horrible things happen to him at their hands, b) when they first met, Shallan conned Kaladin out of his boots, so he was doubly inclined to think she was terrible, c) Kal is understandably suspicious of Shallan showing up out of nowhere and immediately latching onto a prince he's been ordered to guard, and d) Shallan's default response to basically everything is cheery, irreverent snark (a habit picked up from spending her entire childhood trying to keep her horribly dysfunctional family together, because the jokes cheered up her brothers), so she's met Kaladin's obvious animosity with sarcasm and mockery.

    Naturally, it's not long before they start fighting. Kaladin basically unloads all his noble-related trauma on Shallan- when she first asks him to tell her one thing she's ever done to him, he immediately brings up something she had absolutely nothing to do with, and when she says that, his response is "It's the fault of your entire class." She tells him that she thinks he's being a gigantic asshole, and blaming things on social class that have more to do with him being a gigantic asshole. Kal dodges the question about how antagonistic he is toward anyone noble, even if they haven't done anything wrong- like, the book literally uses the dialogue tag, "Kaladin asked, dodging the question"- and brings up the boots thing, and Shallan immediately shuts up, admitting to herself that he's 100% right about that. They bicker a bit more, and admit it basically comes down to "Shallan dislikes Kaladin because he's so grumpy and abrasive, Kaladin dislikes Shallan because he thinks her cheerful behavior is fake and superficial."

    (Note: Kaladin has severe depression. Shallan has severe social anxiety. Both of them have fairly major PTSD. I feel that how that's relevant to the previous sentence shouldn't be too hard to figure out.)

    Some other stuff happens that forces them to work together to get out, which culminates in Shallan revealing that she has a Shardblade- basically a lightsaber you can pull out of thin air, and the setting's major superweapon. People fight wars over these things. Kaladin makes the connection that if she'd wanted to kill the guy he was guarding, she could have done so at any time and he almost certainly wouldn't have been able to stop her. Then they end up having to find a safe hiding spot when a mega-hurricane hits to avoid the chasm flash-flooding, and end up telling each other their godawful life stories. Shallan gets a crash course in just how badly Kaladin got screwed over, and Kaladin is completely blown away by the realization that she's just as broken as he is, rich sheltered noblewoman or no.

    (Oh, and he also realizes he killed her least dysfunctional brother. Oops.)

    I REGULARLY see people in the fandom describing Shallan's behavior in this section as her being a bigot, and I'm just. Did we even read the same damn book. They were both right, that was the entire point.

    P.S. Kaladin once described the entire nobility as "rotting corpses in beautiful clothing," but nooo, Shallan is a bigot for underestimating the extent of her privilege when she spent 95% of her life locked up in her father's estate and explicitly has had almost no access to education in history or philosophy past the most basic level until the last year.
     
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  11. Saro

    Saro Where is wizard hut

    I remember first reading that part (it's probably my fave but from WoR as well) and immediately thinking that people would absolutely miss the point. Sad to see that my instinct about it was right.
     
  12. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    yeeep. What set this off was seeing someone saying that
    Kaladin was OOC in that section because he ended up so positively disposed toward Shallan at the end of it when, "She'd been being bigoted to him just before." NO SHE FUCKING WASN'T, SHE WAS TELLING HIM THAT HE WASN'T THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PLANET WHO HAD TRAUMA.
     
  13. strictly quadrilateral

    strictly quadrilateral alive, alive, alive!

    i did the exact same thing! i was trying so hard to spare her and i couldn't and i cried for a long time before i reset and looked up what to do
     
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  14. Morven

    Morven In darkness be the sound and light

    People who are fans of a work that includes as a major part of canon something that triggers them and spend all their time raging about fanworks that include that TOTALLY CANON THING.
     
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  15. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    just go find a different thing sweet jesus
     
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  16. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    why do most of the hamilton fandom slash vids using the canon songs put at least one of the boys involved in dresses?

    like, it wouldn't bother me if it was like... deliberate genderfuckery, but the way it's done instead is jarring and takes me out of the narrative. like they are all trying to make the same joke about the boys being in the girls' roles and it's coming up flat.
     
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  17. rje

    rje here comes the sun

    I am starting to get really angry at the growing number of people claiming the Dream Daddy game has no lgbt rep in its dev team and is therefore trash or not really "for us" bc they don't like Game Grumps, a claim which is a BLATANT FUCKING LIE. Like, yea i know tumblr telephone & ppl who refuse to spend five secs Googling make a perfect storm but i am legit beginning to get offended on behalf of the team. Theyre blatantly denying ppls queerness bc they hate the guys who financed the game & recorded some fucking dad grunts.

    I'm prob being too sensitive but man if i worked on the game and saw that they'd need to take my social media away lol. I would b the worst pr
     
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  18. Charlie

    Charlie I got no strings to hold me down

    Regarding Undertale, I know I played pacifist route first thing because the game was pitched as 'the game where you don't have to kill anyone' and I was psyched for that premise (mainly, how they would handle flowey in a pacifistic manner at the time). I don't think a frisk who only completes a pacifist route negates some interesting potential though - it is interesting to think of a frisk who is determined to not hurt anyone, scared to, or who has a bit of a saviour complex of their own. I tend to prefer a frisk who's fucked up a bit tho (and also has a bit of a saviour complex).
     
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  19. Charlie

    Charlie I got no strings to hold me down

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    also... borderlands fandom... jack is one of the most 'defaults to abusive behaviour' characters ever. there's no way he wouldn't just use this to its advantage however he could.
     
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  20. littlepinkbeast

    littlepinkbeast Imperator Fluttershy

    did... did they even play the games?
     
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