Fandom Gripes Thread

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by keltena, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    wtf

    is it a red vs blue amv or not? and why won't you just tell us straight off the bat whether it is one or not? why the question mark and clickbaity tone?
     
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  2. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    The space after amv adds extra levels of mystery. Were words deleted? We may never know.
     
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  3. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    my guess is that it's for the aesthetic or 'cause they suck at grammar
     
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  4. Shwoo

    Shwoo Well-Known Member

    You Will Find Out
     
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  5. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    when a fanvid has the perfect fandom/song combo but seems to made out of random clips from the show. like, there's no rhyme or reason to it, no character focus, it doesn't fit as well it should, and just... it really doesn't work, even though it should work.

    also, what the fuck is with the red vs blue fandom and action montages?

    like, vids that are called that, and vids that focus a lot on the fight scenes and seem to ignore the emotional moments. fighting can be good for flavour and high speed moments in the song and those scenes are often the most dynamic ones on the show, but when i decide to watch a rvb vid, i'm not looking for "tex kicks everyone's asses to (un)fitting music for 3 minutes." i'm looking for something more... feels-based than that.

    i reckon like it's probably resulting from afab-type (tumblr, kintsugi, livejournal, fanfiction.net, transformative) fandom and amab-type (reddit, curative, "who would win in a fight" instead "who would kiss who") fandom both being about equal, or amab-type fandom predominating with red vs blue, and youtube being a place where amab-type fandom picked up on some of afab-type fandoms things but not all of them (fanvids but not the idea of using them to accentuate characters, relationships or themes). so like, the vids end up not being what i hope for in a fanvid 'cause they were made by and for a completely different audience. and it's really hard to adjust to that disconnect.
     
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  6. vuatson

    vuatson [delurks]

    @unknownanonymous there are a few good ones. Have you watched "comes and goes" by cinderfell?
     
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  7. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    yep, there definitely are. this was just commentary on the general trends, you know...

    and nope, i haven't watched that one yet.
     
  8. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    sometimes a fanvid reverses a song from a musical/tv show/movie/whatever's heroes and villains and it just doesn't work

    like, the heroes in the song become the villains from the show the fanvid has the music set to and it just falls flat 'cause of the associations involved and 'cause of the stuff done in the original song to convey that the villains are indeed are the villains and heroes the heroes, if that makes any sense
     
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  9. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    So, there's this character, Damian Wayne. And he's biracial, his mother being Talia al Ghul. And he's usually drawn to look white-passing with green eyes. And a lot of times, people will take comic panels and edit them so he has much darker skin and eyes. Which, yeah, that's a problem! It would be great if more artists drew him like he took after his mother! But it's a bit grating to the part of my brain that wants things to be accurate and correct when photosets - including photosets about completely different characters where he just happens to be there - also get edited. Like I get WHY it happens! it's just annoying to the part of my spergbrain that wants things that are altered to be marked as such, (because otherwise it's LYING and what if someone reads the comic expecting it to be like that and they get disappointed or angry, aren't brains fun)

    (that's also the part of my brain that gets annoyed with 'this character is obviously a [insert LGBT/neuroatypical/whathaveyou here]' posts because. while most of me knows that interpreting the text and finding meaning in it and death of the author are all great, there's also a part of me that goes 'i hope no one watches this with this in mind and gets super disappointed because the creator didn't have this idea in mind when they made it' even though i don't even know if that's a problem anyone has ever HAD to begin with.)
     
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  10. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    and like, i'm not in the fandom or poc, but white-passing poc are valid and exist and still poc, so i don't think him being white-passing is even wrong in the first place - it might indicate bad shit about comics and representation and whatnot but it's not inherently bad for him to be white-passing, and the panels don't need to be edited to change him.
     
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  11. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    i have sometimes gotten confused about a show/movie/whatever's representation quotient prior to seeing it 'cause of the fandom saying, without qualifiers, that the characters are obviously [insert LGBT/neuroatypical/whathaveyou here]. and i think there have been times when i've doubted people saying that when it actually turned out to be true 'cause i got so used to a skewed signal-to-noise ratio.
     
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  12. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    My feeling on death of the author is that it is unavoidable because communication is inherently imperfect and context is all-encompassing, ill defined, irreducible, and impossible to reproduce. Every experience of comprehension is a singular event that will never happen quite the same way ever again, even for one audience member experiencing the same work, because you will never be quite the same person in quite the same place ever again.

    Death of the author doesn't limit context. It opens it up to include anything and everything. Like ideas about what characters should be like based on what you've heard from other fans.

    That's my two cents.
     
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  13. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    (I just spent a week reading philosophy entirely to clarify my thoughts on fanworks.)
     
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  14. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    the red vs blue wiki page on temple says that he thinks his team is expendable and i'm just... okay, what the fuck.

    like, come the fuck on, he started his whole revenge rampage thing 'cause of biff's death and 'cause the sim troopers were being exploited by the freelancers! and no one (other than biff, obviously) in the desert gulch crew died when they were fighting in canyon, or when they were seeking their revenge on the freelancers. does that sound like a leader who thinks his team is expendable to you? seriously, where's the evidence that he thinks they're expendable?

    i swear, this shit must have ended up on his wiki page 'cause he's a Villain, and considering their underlings expendable is What Villains Do...

    ... or i may be wrong, i may've missed something, but... temple considering his team expendable just doesn't make sense...
     
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  15. ZeroEsper

    ZeroEsper Well-Known Member

    I actually hated Yuri on Ice as a concept and when it first came out because of that 'character x is gay/bi/pan etc.' thing that Tumblr sometimes does. Every time I saw someone refer to the show as gay, my mental response was 'it's queerbaiting. It's queerbaiting like every fucking all-boys sports anime before it. Don't lie.' I had to see confirmation from the creator that there was actually legitimately a kiss before I watched it.
     
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  16. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    same.

    i think it was a gif or an actual professional written article on it or something that finally got me to see that it wasn't just really strong subtext.
     
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  17. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    the red vs blue wiki has some random fanart of a white lavernius tucker, and i'm... confused - especially all we know about his race suggests that he's black. and like, yeah, there are not many characters on this show that we do know the actual physical appearance of and he's not one of them, but... uh, why?

    it sounds like the guy, luke mckay, who made that fanart might work for rooster teeth, but i'm not entirely sure if he does or not. the drawing is listed as a fan creation on his website, not an official thing.

    and yeah, i'm just... confused... why does the red vs blue wiki think his headcanons deserve this special consideration? what the hell did he do to get them that status?

    and why am i race discoursing over a show where most of the characters never show their faces? and am i being as ridiculous as the "taako is named after tacos so he's obviously a mexican elf, whose skin can't be green 'cause green is problematic" folks on tumblr?
     
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  18. vuatson

    vuatson [delurks]

    There's also fan art of a black tucker by the same artist in the same gallery. Judging by the change in art quality between the two, I'd guess the white fanart might have been made earlier in the show before tucker was revealed (more or less) to be black.
     
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  19. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    yeah, it does look like it. i still don't know why the white fanart (or any of his fanart, honestly) got put on the wiki, though. 'cause, like, it's not official art, and on the other fandom wikis i've been on (well, the fairly oddparents wiki at least) non-official art typically gets taken off the pages after a while or simply never put on them.
     
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  20. Shwoo

    Shwoo Well-Known Member

    It's happened to me a couple of times, although only in the context of someone recommending something on the strength of having diverse characters.
     
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