Fandom Gripes Thread

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by keltena, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    that does make sense, but... i recall that i first found him compelling right back in episode 8 or 9, before he'd revealed that, and in ep 10, when he had, he dropped enough hints about his backstory that he remained compelling and him being a villain wasn't that disappointing. and ep 12 sold me on him. and the episodes after kept me sympathizing with him.

    so, it's really confusing, coming out of the episodes thinking, "wow, what a compelling character, with sympathetic nuanced reasons for what he does, who is not pure evil" and seeing that the general fandom consensus is that he is the Worst.
     
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  2. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    (I should also add that while I've only got the word of one multilingual person watching the demo videos to confirm it, there actually is evidence to support fears that the remake might undermine her character, too. Her introductory scene in the original game was confronting her evil stepmother about how the country was being run; the Japanese gameplay demo added a scene in front of it where she was leaning on a balcony in a nightgown with a massive boob window, moping about her dead brother in a way that said multilingual person described as really blatantly brothercon. That, the redesign, and the way the game has been treating the female characters in general re: fanservice are... a worrying combination of warning signs.)
     
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  3. peripheral

    peripheral Stacy's Dad Is Also Pretty Rad

    That's fair!
    I personally think that while his backstory is sympathetic, it falls too much into "cool motive, still murder," for me.
    Illinois was hurting no one. He was literally just trying to live out his retirement, far away from the organization that ruined his life.
    I wonder if anyone's going to tell Temple that the people actually responsible for his pain are all dead.
    I'm more sympathetic to say, Locus, because of how unrepentant he was before he went through his redemption arc. Personal life experience has made me averse to people who do bad things but try to justify it, if that makes sense?

    Your opinions are pretty cool, though.
     
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  4. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    yeah, i guess that does make sense. i don't really have that personal life experience, and characters that try to justify the bad things they're doing always feel more real and compelling to me than characters that don't. like, i like felix's flair but i can't exactly get in his head. and locus is really hard to read, not very emotionally expressive at all. almost every word out of omega's mouth is him being angry, evil and/or a joke. the meta's backstory is sad and he's a good level of scary/eerie/whatever but i don't know him as a person at all. the chairman is just some authority sitting on high.

    but temple and the director. them i get. them i can understand and sympathize with easily. and 'cause of that, they feel not as evil as the rest to me and are my fave red vs blue villains.
     
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  5. emythos

    emythos Lipstick Hoarding Dragon

    yeah, i thinking it's the "horrible torturous serial killer going after a group we have prior attachment to" thing
    also the whole "cool motive still murder" thing
    sorry
     
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  6. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    i dislike the Rey Skywalker thing, mainly cause i think it wouldn't add anything to the story and would come off as kind of cheap given how Rey's arc in TFA was about letting go of futile hopes that the family that abandoned her would bring her the happiness and belonging she craves, but if the absolute worst thing about it is how often its fans and supporters are also all for "kylo is irredeemable trash". Because, thematically, how the fuck does that one work out?? Family is important, blood ties matter and will give Rey everything that she needs, but a blood tie to Kylo doesn't matter at all kill him dead. Rey's supposed to be happy and stick with the family that abandoned her, but not that one, he's a dick, and his mom and uncle who raised him agree and want him dead. Having no blood tie between Rey and the Skywalkers and making it about families of choice would work much better, and it's so irritating to me that dickheads don't jump on that premise. Like, it's an obvious, easy solution to the issue of Star Wars' general thing of way valuing blood ties!! Hey, says the new Star Wars. A family is what you choose to make it! Blood ties matter less than genuine emotional connections! Kill this dickhead and be happy with your brand new space parents/brothers/sister!
     
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  7. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    Blarrr there's a post going around the young justice fandom recapping some of the SDCC stuff and it's incorrect. The character 'speculated' to be X comic character is in all likelihood not that person (they have similar names but look different and in any case that character was already said to be original to the show) and they've labelled one character as another person entirely (understandable as up until now the character it actually is has been very minor and the character people think it is is core cast, BUT.)

    And then there's also people extrapolating way too much out of 'Jason Todd is a hologram.' It's clearly just the showrunners being intentionally obscuring since if they bring him in as a character they sure aren't gonna spoil that early. And they are notably trolls. It doesn't mean he'll never show up it means that someone asked 'oh what's going on with Jason, is he going to be in the show' and they responded with 'he's in the show! As a hologram.' Or something to that effect! Because THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE AWAY ANY PLOT TWISTS THAT MAY COME.

    Bleh. These are all understandable considering how the panel went but the inaccuracy being spread without correction is ugh.
     
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  8. Aya-non

    Aya-non Well-Known Member

    Does anyone else have...that one fandom. The canon is...mediocre with flashes of brilliance, but the fic is amazing. It's just...the tumblr fandom. Dear little fishies the Tumblr fandom. It's like...everyone is either relatively cool, a scary fanatic shipper, or an utter pedantic jerk. And I'm not the kind of person who can keep track of canon details in media that aren't as incredibly freakin' long as this one. So I question one thing and someone jumps on me and declares that I am wrong about everything ever and implies by tone that I am vaguely stupid and beneath them while using copious references to the text which I quite frankly think is...mostly terrible, and should be slow roasted at 350 so we can get the good bits out but they are seriously dedicated to being true to it for some goshdarn reason. Like the author isn't an avatar of chaotic evil who can't write functional relationships or emotional arcs.

    Basically I want to keep writing fic for this series but I never want to talk to anyone about it again?
     
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  9. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    That reminds that I was really, really fond of Biker Mice from Mars fic as a teen. Like thinking back on it the fic wasn't that great. A lot of it was TRAGIC GAY FURRY ROMANCE consumed by gay furries and perpetuated by them. And it was based off a frankly not that great show from the 80's. But I loved it a lot ok.
     
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  10. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    Weiss Kreuz yo. I don't remember anyone getting too pedantic about the canon because we sort of all knew it was... Weiss Kreuz. There were occasional half hearted complaints about people who wrote fic without actually consuming any of the media, but there were also people who readily confessed to doing that. Pre-tungle, so maybe that helped. The fic, though, was fucking amazing, at least to teenage me.
     
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  11. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    there is apparently a canon (?) red vs blue short of alpha church and tex watching over the reds and blues in valhalla after alpha's death, and yet... when i try to search for it, i just can't find it. and it's really frustrating 'cause i've seen that short in both gifs and fanvids and yet... when i actually try to look for it, i come up empty.

    hell, i don't even know if it's canon or not. i'm just guessing it's canon 'cause the video's a halo machinima but rooster teeth aren't the only people ever to own a copy of halo so... it could just as easily be fanmade. who the fuck even knows?
     
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  12. Acey

    Acey hand extended, waiting for a shake

    Oh man, that sounds unbelievably frustrating! Good luck finding it!
     
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  13. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    Adventure Zone seems really fun and right up my alley but I cannot with podcasts at all.
     
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  14. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

  15. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    i mean... kinda? but a lot of what makes voice acting work doesn't flow in text form, though it's not like i have a lot of choice.
     
  16. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    Yeah. They're making a comic book version as well. Maybe wait for that if you're interested?
     
  17. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    probably, yeah. and the transcripts are all REALLY long too - if it was just broken up into smaller chunks it'd probably be easier...

    is the comic supposed to cover the entire span of the game?
     
  18. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    I think that's what they're planning, yeah. The first comic's coming out next April, and it's covering the first arc and maybe a bit of Moonlighting? Preorders made it Amazon's top selling fantasy book for a bit, I think, so I'm pretty sure they're gonna keep adapting the story.
     
  19. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    ...how necessary is it to read the first arc, I looked ahead to the latest bit and it's a lot easier to read compared to the first installment. when does the umbra staff first show up?
     
  20. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    First arc, actually! It shows up early, and some stuff happens with it dotted in the "Moonlighting" inter-arc bits where they touch base and buy shit and stuff. Uh, I think maybe all the relevant stuff in the first arc can be summarized pretty easily. I've fallen a bit behind lately, so I dunno about the last few episodes, but they did shift from D&D to a more simplified system in the Stolen Century arc to shift the focus a bit towards world and character building stuff, which would definitely make for an easier read, I think.
     
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