Wait what? I meant that to be Luke Fox, who's from Gotham and is a series regular in one of the ongoing Batman series.
No he had his own comic! I remember, cause it was the only Batman comic my high school library had for a while.
honestly if spidey is going to be understood from now on as iron man's sidekick I'll be filled with so much salt
Same, though. I love both Iron Man and Spidey, and I think the weird corner of fandom that's obsessed with the Avengers adopting Spidey is cute, but...it needs to stay a weird fandom niche. Not, like, become a widespread thing. Until very, very recently, Spidey was an independent superhero who didn't need no rich benefactor, thankyou. (Also, @KarrinBlue and @tinyhydra , thank you for bringing up Lucas Fox. I have only read his wiki page but I already like him. So I'm sorry, but the fakest geek girl, at least when it comes to Batman and associated properties, is actually me.)
honestly batman mythos is all over the damn place and I hardly expect anyone to know the intricacies of it :PPPPPP related, and maybe gonna start a Discourse but I don't care: inter-Robin shipping isn't incest holy shit, they didn't even live with Batso at the same time (you could make an argument for Dick/Damian being incest because of their dynamic and especially the fact that Dami's still a kid, and I personally find it skeezy, but tbh all pairings between the other three are fine)
Yeh man, I haven't read a Batman in maybe a year. I only knew about Zavimbe, and just learned about Luke today.
listen i'm certain that cloning is now mandated for all Batfamily members and associates, there's no TIME for them to get up to everything they do and in some cases it's wildly contradictory (case in point: right now dick grayson is both betraying the titans and also on a spy adventure with Huntress, who is concurrently in Gotham with Batgirl (who was just stuck in the phantom zone) and Black Canary (in Seattle trying to help with Green Arrow's latest Everything Going Wrong.))
also at one point there were two arcs about Superman and his family, where they were for some reason moving from rural NY to Metropolis, and there was all this complaining from his kid about he doesn't WANT to leave and all his friends are here and bluh bluh the week prior, he had been kidnapped and brainwashed by a supervillain who'd set the entire town up as a bizarre trap, and everyone in it had been in on a scheme to deceive the family, especially the kid's best friend, and this was all revealed in the most arsonisty way possible.
this made me really mad and I wanted to bitch about it so here I am bitching. why would rey imprint on any old character who's nice to her it's not like she does that on accounta spending the past fifteen years alone???? it's not like she had issues and also has wanted family/interpersonal connections her entire life, it's so fucking ridiculous that she might mythologize a family bond. the girl who spent fifteen fucking years determined to hold onto her belief that the family that abandoned her would come back and make everything right again, no, no, she wouldn't do anything like that. That'd be shitty writing. She should obviously be 100% okay with someone killing their negligent parent. all daisy said was that she has no idea where ren is fucking coming from, not that she'll hunt him to the ends of the fucking galaxy, christ alive. "Her anger is misplaced" yeah, piss off, sometimes anger ain't reasonable.
... Wooow. No, dude, actually murder is bad. Even in the case of disappointing parents. Being mad about murders is almost never a case of misplaced anger. Anger is a totally appropriate response to the murder of even friendly acquaintances, much less people who are in the process of rescuing you.
Yeah. You know those people who want this morality tale for children to be a graphic revenge fantasy wherein Rey and Finn murder everyone who ever wronged them (except Luke who is Rey's dad and had very good reasons to leave her alone on a desert hellscape!!) in order to validate their anger at their abusers/rapists/racism as a concept? Well there's dudes like that whose issues are more parental who glom onto Kylo and want his arc to be more or less the above, but with Leia and Han as the stand ins for everybody's shitty parents. Like, yeah, it's totally normal and understandable to want that kinda validation and catharsis, but Star Wars has a pretty basic. Uncontrolled anger=the Dark Side=bad and toxic even for the people immersed in it but more for everyone else they fuck right up thing going down and i really doubt they're gonna stray too far from that.
ngl that response reads as someone who got triggered really damn hard and are projecting their issues all over the characters. which, it sucks when that happens, and I understand it, but...fiction isn't capable of serving everyone's emotional needs. it's so weird to me that people have latched onto Star Wars, which is, yeah, a morality fable for children, of all things. is it just the inclusion of Finn and Rey? it's really excellent to have a strong and well developed female hero and a strong and well developed black hero, but the story that they're in is still...well, Star Wars, which is still about how Hatred Is Bad in an extremely broad sense, because it's The Hero's Journey In Space. i feel like a lot of people are expecting it to magically conform to all their moral stances because they're attached to the characters. it's like a halo effect thing, I think: I like one aspect of this story, so I expect everything in it to be similarly enjoyable to me, and I'm gonna be pissed if that expectation is subverted. that's just a really human way to behave honestly and I don't begrudge them it. but I wish it was more common to be like "I'm really not enjoying the direction this story has taken, I think the message it's trying to get across and my experiences just don't tally. We're coming from different places" rather than "This story is objectively bad and problematic forever because something that happened in it upset me personally" ...also @ that original response, why is Rey pursuing a murderer (which, again, there's no indication that she's actually gonna do) "really dark side" but killing your asshole parent is fine? why are only some kinds of vengeance okay?
Ignoring this specific case's juxtaposition, some forms of revenge are ok for the same reason that some forms of violence in general are ok and others aren't. Narratively let's say we have a character who is out for revenge because someone stole his bowl of cereal one day, and another character who is out for revenge because someone murdered their sister and then ate her. While the more strictly anti-vengeance among us might agree that both are pretty shit things to do and both are wrong, one of these people has a more weighty and reasonable motive to their revenge. The other is just a fucking asshole too into their cereal. Not all vengeance is created equal. As for why Rey's form of vengeance isn't ok, but Kylo's is I have no fucking idea what the argument for that would be. Just that I could see an argument for that being made. Granted, that rubs up against the whole "but the Dark Side of the Force" issue. Still one could then go into a "well the dichotomy presented is bullshit and here is my 500 page novel as to why" tangent. Because Star Wars is both at once a fairly simple morality tale with little complications to it and a dark, gritty world of moral ambiguity run by crazed cults. Really were not so much fanfiction absolute shit I might be interested in some of the fics written by people with these weird standpoints. Because part of the fun of Star Wars is being able to find books wherein Obi-wan Kenobi isn't a good guy. He's just a fucking asshole. And you're able to find fans who, due to preferences to certain parts of the universe and interpretations of those parts, absolutely fucking despise Kenobi. I'm personally not part of the whole "Kenobi is literally satan" team, but I can't say I like the man much. But then I'm working off a very Repcomm focused view of the franchise.
I've read fic and meta by people viewing stories from very different angles than the author probably wanted them to. Some of it (sometimes very begrudgingly, because I like living in my comfortable bubble of lies where things I like are perfect) has made me go "...yeah okay that character trait/setting detail/theme/moral is actually pretty fucked up when you think about it". Some of it has made me go "lmao what are you smoking, are you trying to be edgy or contrarian or did we consume two completely different works." Above is the latter.
Pretty much. Again were it handled better I might like it because I am all about movie-moralitt critical Star Wars. But most of it doesn't seem terribly grounded or interesting with Kylo and Rey shit I see from tfa fans. Not like the exceptionally negative stance taken against the Jedi Order in works lile Repcomm. Though I suppose I don't begrudge them dping it. Hating Star Wars is central to the fandom.
