Fate/Zero

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by Scheherazade, Jan 23, 2016.

  1. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    That would make it more important that the servants have deamons, since their hail from times removed from the enforced colonialism of Clock Tower.
    When there were less people and less crowded living arrangements was it more common to have larger deamon?
    Would Lancer's deamon being a doe be any less likely than a Dog?
    TELL me Rider's soul isn't a horse and I will well, politely disagree.

    (this may or may not be because I have a poor grasp on the system.)

    Further query:how do I put in a spoiler warning here, darn darn darn
    oh man I'm going to have forgotten my thought by the time I figure it out.
     
  2. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    We can just accept that this is a spoiler thread, if you like. The series has been out for some time, so it's probably acceptable.
     
  3. Aya-non

    Aya-non Well-Known Member

    I will stay out until I've finished. *Leaves to go watch anime*
     
  4. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    Hm, why a doe for Diarmuid?
     
  5. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    I dunno. Well, I gather there's a pretty normal male-to-female exchange for daemons, but I could just... see it in my head. It felt right, you know?
     
  6. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    I'm not completely sure about it, but I like the idea of Waver's daemon being a common cuckoo. Sure, he's technically fitting tradition, but it's got common right there in the name and it looks it too, just a drab little thing. And the ideas associated with it... well. It feels like just one more thing telling him that he doesn't belong here, that he'll never really be one of them no matter how hard he tries.

    Later, after years of maturity, he's quietly proud of himself. This was never meant to be his nest, but he's here and he's not just going to live there, he's going to thrive, growing even bigger and stronger than the ones who were born to it.
     
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  7. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    I could see some sort of parrot, like an african grey, they're domesticated birds, and clever, but no real mistique or class.
     
  8. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    Ehhh, too exotic. I think Waver's daemon should definitely be something that looks ordinary and unassuming. Besides, I like how a cuckoo works with him gaining Kayneth's title and mystic code, plus there's what he pulls in the first episode with those people whose house he uses.
     
  9. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    the cuckoo instantly reminded me of the Mackenzies, yes.
     
  10. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    Yeeeeah... Waver, sweetie, you're still my favorite character but that was fucked up. Probably you have about negative three dollars in cash because you're the magical version of a grad student, but if you can hypnotize people like that there was probably a way to find food and shelter that didn't involve brainwashing people into thinking they're your relatives. Speaking of, I really hope he took the spell off the woman, too, because they only ever mentioned her husband snapping out of it.

    That said, the fact that they basically just shrugged and went 'we'll still keep him' after it wore off is hilarious to me. Like, I can totally believe that Waver just kind of has that effect on people. He's just such an awkward little teenage failboat that the opportunity to give him food and blankets and sensible mentorly advice can overwhelm even random people whose house he wound up in. Frankly, it's astonishing that Kayneth was, apparently, immune.
     
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  11. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    Kayneth was just kind of a dick, frankly. I mean, I could defend him; but in the end, he was STILL a dick.

    Though I did get the impression that Waver's classmates weren 't really impresed with him either, though that might have just be a 'stay the line' mentality. There's deffinatly something about Waver that calls to people; but I think something needs to call back.
     
  12. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    Incidentally, I have no canonical proof for this at all, but I have a headcanon about why Waver's hypnotic spell suddenly stopped working. Memory manipulation works by the mage, basically, deciding 'this version of reality is right, whatever else you thought reality was is wrong' and using a combination of magic and willpower to enforce that on the target. Due to character growth, he would have started realizing that brainwashing the Mackenzies was morally wrong, and stopped being able to maintain the spell. Hypnosis doesn't have to be something that the mage believes in, but they have to be backing up their words with certainty, and the sudden shift threw him off.
     
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  13. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    Hypnosis into thinking he was someoen he wasn't seems like it would be hard for Waver, since he desperately wants recognition for his efforts.
     
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  14. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    By the way, have you read Megkips' fanfiction for Fate/Zero? It's really good.
     
  15. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    I... don't know?
    the name sounds familar, but that doesn't mean I have?
     
  16. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    Her main series is If Not Alexander, then Diogenes on Archive of our Own. It's one of my major sources of Waver Velvet-related emotions, so you might like it if you haven't read it.
     
  17. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    Hrm, I haven't gone looking for F/Z fic on AO3 in a while. Something to look forward to!
     
  18. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    Put it this way: do you remember the Homestuck author paratactician? I have the sneaking suspicion that they might be, like, alternate universe counterparts of each other or something. There's that whole "dignified and slightly exasperated expert of the classics" thing with both of them.

    If I were actually friends with either of them instead of just some random person on the Internet, I'd introduce them just to see what happens.
     
  19. Willowanderer

    Willowanderer Does her best

    XD
    That's just an archtype I think.
    It would either go really well or really terrible as is often the case when you get very similar people together.
     
  20. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade It's a story fractal

    Yes, but it would be interesting to find out which. If we're really lucky, we might wind up getting some interesting meta-analysis out of the whole deal.

    ...Not that I deliberately try to entice people who I know are good writers into my fandoms in the hopes that they'll start producing content, or anything. Really, totally innocent, honest.
     
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