XD Well morals are diffrent than fucks. There's 'the right thing to do' and there's 'the done thing.' She would, she would egg him on just to see what happened; and then back him up to see it through.
Frankly, given how much godawful magical assholery the two of them have had to put up with over the years, the Clock Tower should count their blessings that they went with Mean Girls and not Heathers. (I feel like that was the Bad End timeline.)
It's, um, theoretically possible that I may have considered a slightly timeline-adjusted AU in which the 'outsiders' chosen for the Fourth Holy Grail War were different people and the ones we're familiar with from Fate/Zero were from the Fifth War's time period instead, so that a joint-effort Kiritsugu/Tokiomi/Kariya disaster still went down albeit in a slightly different way, resulting in shit really hitting the fan re: Sakura and other concerns about a decade later... for basically the sole purpose of a newly orphaned, bitterly disillusioned, and seriously traumatized Rin Tohsaka beginning her studies at the Clock Tower she no longer respects and befriending a nineteen-year-old Waver Velvet with no Grail War to run to, who's trying his best not to crack under steadily increasing abuse from Kayneth. tl;dr Rin is J.D. and Waver is Veronica. Kayneth dies. So do a lot of other people.
Well, do they all deserve it? they only get to stay slightly sympathetic if they only kill people who deserve it.
Almost certainly, this is the Clock Tower we're talking about, here. I mean, considering the two sources we're drawing from I'm fairly certain it all still progresses pretty sharply from 'black comedy' into 'intensely tragic trainwreck', but probably everyone they actually intend to kill falls somewhere on a spectrum between 'serious asshole' and 'literally evil'. Mostly, it's just me thinking of the musical version and getting hit right in the goddamn feels by that one bit of Dead Girl Walking (Reprise). "I wish your mom had been a little stronger/Wish she'd stayed around a little longer/I wish your dad were good/Wish your teachers understood/I wish we'd met before/They convinced you life was war/I wish you'd come with me..." "I wish I had more TNT."
Hello I am a fan of Heathers: the musical and I would like to know what this is so I can watch/read/whatever it and join this conversation
The basic thing you need to know is that the Clock Tower is essentially if Hogwarts took its political cues from Game of Thrones- it's all magecraft and aristocratic dickery. The actual series is focused mostly on an entirely different setting, though. Honestly, this is mostly just me messing around with headcanon stuff to make a weird crossover idea work, the relationship between the two is tenuous at best. It came largely out of my amusement at the realization that "Dear Diary: my teen angst bullshit now has a body count" was a pretty good summary of Waver Velvet in the first half of the series. If you want to watch the Fate/Zero anime, it's available in its entirety on Netflix, and I believe it can also be found for free online with some searching. The Fate franchise as a whole is labyrinthine and faintly ridiculous, so while there are other series and various supplementary materials that contain more information, I recommend that you just watch the anime by itself, and then only go try other parts if you actually like the idea. Also, once you're done, read this fanfic series. But not before you're done, because all the fucking spoilers, all of them. http://archiveofourown.org/series/23756
They should also watch Fate/Stay Night, the more recent version (by the same animators as Zero) is also avalible on Crunchy Roll
I wanted to go "eeeh, maybe-maybe not..." to that, but I thought about it for a second and I'm legitimately not sure whether that reaction was me genuinely thinking that they only really needed Fate/Zero to understand this specific conversation and not wanting to overwhelm them with the whole convoluted Fate canon tangle in one go... or if I'm just still kind of annoyed because I don't think the adaptation was as good as it could have been. Not that it didn't improve on some levels, I just feel like there was some possibly unused potential there.
Gonna level with you; haven't watched it yet. But I did watch the old one, and alternated between yelling at Shirou and thinking he was my favortue. There is SO MUCH WASTED POTENTIAL I think that's half the fun of the fandom. yelling about how they could have done it better.
Yeah. On one hand, it would be nice to have a near-perfect story, but on the other, what would the fandom do if we did? Aside from shipping, I mean. We've got some good stuff to work with, and where canon wastes its potential we can build something we prefer. ...then again: mana dolphins.
I arrive months late, having finally finished Fate/Zero. You have been having fun without me, but also, I now have like 800 times more feelings about Waver Velvet than I used to. Also, I watched the episodes where all the lady characters die or are nearly killed in one go and that was traumatizing; why Urabochi? Especially why all the choking. Is there something we should know.
Have started Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works. Only to episode 2, but I am so far very firmly aboard the Archer/Rin ship. No one warned me they were cute, help. I am also so happy that, whatever horrible thing this Grail War does to her, Sakura gets to have a few years of going to school and being in archery club and having a teenager crush on the neighbor she cooks stuff for. I dunno, after Fate/Zero that just does good things for my heart. Kirei, meanwhile, needs to get punched in the face. Like, possibly also actually defeated in battle, but I'd really feel happiest if first someone actually physically punched him. That timeskip arguably made him slimier.
