For the Honor of Greyskull - A She-Ra and the Princesses of Power Thread

Spoiler: THE END (of season one)

catra please stop doing this your very existence serves to call me out. both in terms of stuff we've had to learn and stuff we're still learning. CATRA STOP DOING THIS YOU ARE IN A SHOW FOR 8 YEAR OLDS.

 

Okay, I'm anti-shipping if shipping means romance. However, storge and agape ships are something that I could get behind.

Spoiler: Bow

Seahawk, and a bit of Kevin triangle. Even non-sexual, just the friendship-envy would be fun.

 

Athol, I'm going to need you to clarify, when you say you're anti-shipping, do you mean that you yourself don't find shipping very interesting and so it's not part of how you enjoy a fandom, or do you mean it in the tumblr sense where you go and harass people over their ships? If it's the former, then that's fine, but if it's the latter, then that kind of behavior isn't acceptable in this thread.

 

Thank you for asking!

I'm against the part where people send death threats to the creators over their pet 'ships not being canon. (Was that Lapidot?) Or the part where people have fights when the 'ship isn't canonical yet. (KatAang vs Zutara.) Like, have fun with the W----st, but realize that even Destiel is not realistic as a romance.

And yeah, I find non-romantic shipping to be way more fun. I probably used storge and agape a little weirdly... in context, philia = friendship, eros = romance, oh, I think this is the first time I've run into pragma = old married couple. I think I could get into pragma=shipping.

Like, once I wrote this short story, but people couldn't tell if it was slash or not.

 

Athol, I'm so confused by your examples haha.

Spoiler: SU drama

Not sure about death threats, but people got upset about amedot not being canon. Actually, more people seem angry that lapidot IS implied canon. Lapidot... seems to get implied a lot, but not in canon statement way.

Spoiler: ATLA

I don't know what you mean, do you mean the drama when it was airing? Because there was a 'resolution' to that drama even if it just fanned the flames in fandom.

Regarding She-Ra... idk how things will end, but they're definitely Definitely playing with ships and implications in the show.

 

shipwars being a thing doesnt mean shipping is bad, it just means that some fans have bad boundaries or are assholes & take things too seriously (and those fans would probably have bad boundaries and take things too seriously regardless of their fannish focus)

 

...OK, that's not enough to answer my question. I need to know that you won't harass anyone over their ships. If you are against only part of what antis do, then I am going to need you to be extremely specific about which parts you agree with, because there is not much of that general ethos that I don't find objectionable. And in general, what you're talking about is a problem with the behavior of some fans, not the concept of shipping in itself.

And yes, you are using storge and agape oddly. Storge refers to familial love, between a parent and child; agape is unconditional,selfless love, the love to one's fellow humans generally or the love between a god and humanity. Neither really lends themselves well to shipping two specific people. Philia means friendship or affection, yes, but eros specifically means sexual love. Also, pragma doesn't mean 'old married couple,' it means practical love - a relationship born out of mutual convenience than actual connection. It is literally pragmatic.

Of course wanting to explore two characters having a marriage of convenience or a nonsexual but deeply affectionate bond are both perfectly interesting, but you should try to be clearer about what you are trying to say about two characters and their relationships. Shipping almost always refers to a romantic context, so using words that contradict that can make your point very confusing.

 

Go ahead and romance-ship anyone you want. I might giggle a bit, maybe say that the ship is unrealistic while in-character, but no harassing. I do like the concept of crack-shipping.

Is there anything else you need to know my opinion on?

 

My sibling and I just finished watching this show yesterday! I already can’t wait for season 2. Catra has gone full Sasuke and I want her and Adora to KISS ON THE MOUTH

 

they need to kiss so fucking bad it's ridiculous

 

My apologies, but I think you just hit on what I found annoying about shipping and it isn't personal... I read your quote as impatience, (which if you're saying that they need to kiss eventually I'll stay out of having an opinion on that one.)

I'm enjoying the ride of them having complicated emotions about each other that aren't about that kind of love. (Maybe it's cultural differences that could be solved by reading Yuri?)

 

i respectfully disagree

 

Yeah no that's pretty fucking gay. Most of their interactions are Pretty Fucking Gay. And the series writer is known for writing comics that are Pretty Fucking Gay to the point where 'assume my characters are gay unless stated otherwise' is a thing she's stated before.

also catra's outfit is like

gay culture

 

Okay, so it is cultural differences. If I were seeing the same thing in a guy/girl relationship, them kissing with tensions this high... it would read as just caring about the body and not wanting to bother with trying to make a functional friendship first. Is one of the descriptions of marriage still two adults being best friends?

 

the gay is so good

 

Yeah, Catra/Scorpia cuddling and smooching would be cute. If Scorpia had proper hands, her starting with a shoulder rub on Catra would also be cute.

Spoiler: Scorpia, Entrapta, and full-season spoilers.

Okay, Scorpia seems fine with being a princess yet being surrounded by people who were taught that princesses were... Adora had a really good way of phrasing it. Anyway, I wonder how really fine Scorpia is, or if she is somewhat of a stockholm smiler.

Okay, so Entrapa said that she didn't have a runestone, and I think it's implied that she's the only princess without one. What makes her a princess? She was invited to the princess ball. Scorpia was invited as a formality even though the others don't like her for her family's decision to welcome/join the hoarde. I think Adora had to go as a +1 because the SheRa runestone doesn't make her a princess?

Actually, maybe one of Entrapta's ancestors did something to the stone that she would have inherited. Scorpia doesn't actually have a connection or ownership of her stone.

And OMG, everyone still thinks that Entrapta is dead. I hope it doesn't take much more than 6 more episodes to get to that reveal.

 

No, Adora counts as a princess. Also it's not clear if Netossa and Spinnerella have Runestones.

 

Spoiler: Ah, okay, Entrapta's words were

The other Elemental princesses. Which actually implies that there are princesses without stones.

Spoiler: http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/she-ra-evolution

Okay, I'm wondering if Glimmer had two mothers and a father, or if there's some sort of fluidity/ language ambiguity, or if they had to drop the concept because they ran out of time to explain it. Bow could still have two fathers and no third parent if one was AFAB or Etheria's technology allows for growing him in a tank.

Maybe I'm reading into something too much.

 

If I was reading the indications right, I think that there are two kinds of princesses, those with runestones and those without runestones. The ones without still have powers, but they aren’t part of the First Ones system of Princesses and wouldn’t be recognized by First Ones tech. It's not clear how they got their powers - at a guess, either their ancestors gave themselves hereditary power via sorcery in an attempt to mimic the Princesses, or their families used to be connected to a runestone but lost that connection somehow (like Scorpia). Entrapta appears to be like Scorpia, where she still has the physical mutation part of a Princess's powers without the ability to control an element. (Catra appears that way too, honestly - I'm calling it now that season 2's big reveal will be that she's also a Princess.) (edit: here's a theory post speculating about that, sorry about OP's regrettable blog theme)

As for Scorpia, it sounds like her family has been part of the horde for a couple generations at least, and she's the only member of her family who we've met so far. She was raised on a diet of Horde propaganda and her family who could've contradicted the Horde's version of history was either equally indoctrinated, or just not around. So she's probably a bit like Adora was at the beginning - convinced that the Horde is doing good, and that the other Princesses are out-of-control threats.

I seriously can't wait for the reveal that Entrapta is alive :D I bet Catra is saving it for the moment when it'll be the most emotionally devastating.