:rubs temples: realtalk: I'm aware that this thread even existing is very upsetting to some folks but idk what to do about that. i didn't name this thread so i can't change the name to try and help, but i would also like a spot to talk about mlm ships specifically without knowing i'm actively upsetting people and making a second thread (to my buggy brain) feels like it'd be bad for some reason. if it's not then cool, let that be a thing, i don't want people upset and angry and distressed and i don't want to feel increasingly distressed for staying and talking about something i like at the cost of other people. i just want to talk about ships and porn, not make problems. eta: anxiety brain is saying by having participated at all i've basically screwed myself over in a lot of ways and idk how to feel about that on the grounds that i did in fact now learn a new preferred term to look things up with.
maybe someone should @ op and get the thread title changed Spoiler: discourse @devian you're absolutely right. I was trying to talk from the milieu of teenage weebs (cause I was one) but I can definitely see how I came off looking...prescriptivist? I guess would be the word? with regards to a culture to which I do not belong I don't want clog the thread with discourse any more than I already have, but let me state for the record that my points and conjectures in this thread are based in the western weeaboo sphere with which I am familiar
@TheMockingCrows *moar hugs* Honestly…somebody's always going to dislike something. If this thread upsets them, they can avoid it. I want to talk about ships and porn too, and I don't see any particular harm in doing it. (And I don't think the thread title should be changed; it's a word that is used by fans of the thing the thread is about.)
Also @devian if you ever do end up reading about why the term was coined I'd be really, really interested in hearing about it? I'm not good enough with Japanese to read such things myself, sadly. But I find the coining of Japanese terms always an interesting thing. words are neat As far as ships go...outside of Yoonbum/Sangwoo all my recent ones are from an incredibly niche fantasy novel series. Though I guess I could talk about why I love them here anyway I guess. Which would be fun really... Homestuck I always had a weird relationship with. I disliked a good bulk of the material I came across, especially with the most popular ships. There were a few I did like a lot, even if only where sex was concerned. Dirk/AR and abusive Dirk/Jake were my favorites. Bro/Dave I also really liked because again. Abuse.
Huh. I always wondered what it was the fansubbers were translating as "normie" on Osomatsu-San. Maybe that's it. 'Nother rec: Tetsuzo Okadaya's Melancholy of a Go-Go Boy. (It's been a while since I actually sought out m/m fiction, so I'm kinda going through my old favorites list on e-hentai.org and pointing out stuff that resonated with me emotionally) On "sin" and shame: I was in my 20s when I started to figure out that you could put "on-purpose" hot dudes in a thing and still be a respectable artist. I remember reading Carla Speed McNeil's Finder and rolling around on the living room floor of my apartment saying "he's hot on purpose!" over and over again because there's just no other explanation for the scene where Jaeger kisses Magri in the virtual world. Two dudes kissing, in a comic my dad recommended to me (therefore super legit and respectable, not just girl stuff like my dirty Loveless and Anne Rice novels)! This whole time I'd been pretending that my enjoyment of this thing had nothing to do with how incredibly sexy Jaeger was! I'd assumed he was just an "accidental hot guy," like in Disney movies, and I was supposed to try and ignore it.
Oh right. Louis/Lestat. That is lovely. Also I'm a vampire fetishist so it is even more so. Like above all things save maybe sadomasochism that is my biggest kink. Vampires.
I've honestly been looking for more sexy queer vampires of the Ricean flavor ever since I read the Vampire Chronicles as a teenager. Gothy, sexually frustrated, obnoxiously purple, religious angst-ridden, velvet-bedecked m/m vampires.
I LIKE VAMPIRES TOO but only the really gruesome kind. No dainty blood-sipping or lounging around complaining about how terrible it is to be immortal and beautiful, I want them to BITE SOME FACES OFF. (Not that dainty blood-sipping doesn't have its place, of course. And I don't mind the angsting if it comes with bloodshed!) I never really got into Anne Rice, but I did watch the Interview With A Vampire movie and feel it would have been much improved with more gay. …I think I had a point, but I'm not sure what it was.
So long as the vampirism is a blatant sex metaphor and especially of the rape variety I tend to be happy. Though I've a great love of gruesome vamps. I'm sad that they're much rarer than the daintier sorts. Alas. I hate any and all science based vampires because I think it's stupid though. I want my shitty stupid magical ass vampires god dammit. Magic and SEX are my only real requirements though.
More on topic though Cú Chulainn/Ferdia is the best mythological gay ship and I will hear nothing else.
SHEITH I CAN TALK ABOUT SHEITH HERE i've been bitten by the voltron shipping bug i didn't think it was possible but sheith is that good they just ,,,,, care so much about each other
OH GEEZ I FORGOT TO RECOMMEND NAKAMURA ASUMIKO. Most of her stuff is REALLY DARK (and not all yaoi), but Dokyuusei and its sequels/spinoffs are adorbs. (There's some teacher/student but mostly not, and it's all waiting-till-you-graduate angst and that sort of thing. what r werds. Anyway, there's an OVA too!) (and if you've got a taste for dark-but-there's-a-happy-ending-I-swear, J no Subete is sooooo gooooood. Trans/NB main character!)
Seriously, I could go on at great length about my intense Nakamura Asumiko love. Her art is just asdfgkjfghg and there is so much psychological drama (and incest, fair amount of incest) and her characters are amazing and her stuff really, really does not follow typical yaoi tropes. So good.
People are upset by a thread talking about m/m ships? Or because it has fujoshi in the title??? I am a confused mushroom Re: sinning I don't use that term much now, but I used it when I was very into Kylux, which of course is evil terribad because how dare you like VILLAINS So calling it sinning or trash was the "yes I know this is problematic trash leave me alone" signal to annoying tumblr antis
