I will probably regret saying this because it's Umineko and Everything That Is Bad Happens In Umineko but based on just my read on Higurashi and the way R07 tends to prefer Bleakness With Purpose to Bleakness Without, I find it really funny how the SA thread immediately jumps to assuming the worst things will happen in Dawn Spoiler including potential Wife Husbandry from Battler, since the Kinzo parallels so far have been so heavy. Thing is, Beatrice must exist for the game board to be valid. She is the ruleset. Lambda wouldn't have been able to stage the game without her. Battler's attempts at the beginning of Dawn to exclude Beatrice from her own game seem more like him realising he's gonna have to put her through the shit that made her our Beato in the first place i.e. the aforementioned Everything That Is Bad. I get the sense that he's preparing to take on all the pain of the backstory in an attempt to try to spare her, (or more selfishly, leave her to suffer alone so he doesn't have to witness it) and that's gonna backfire horribly. Her suffering is a part of the game. Her descent into murderous agony is a part of the game. You have to play by the rules to complete the game, even if you're going to put your own flourishes on it. The game is not going to succeed of Battler tries to govern it all by himself, with the focus being on "protecting" Beato from what is in her future, as much as he doesn't want her to go through whatever it is that he realised caused this all. I'm not discounting the possibility that he Fuck Up before that or the aforementioned "being too cowardly/feeling unworthy to face her in her suffering", but considering that Higurashi also had lashing out pre-emptively and keeping secrets and lacking communication over the hard stuff causing at least three of the tragedies... I can't see how Battler would avoid making that mistake, having resurrected Beatrice and having had the realisation that oh shit. She has no idea. Also the wedding will absolutely get crashed by Beatrice who's gonna come hit Battler out of his guilt paralysis and force him to work together with her. Her story needs to be told in a specific way for the board to be valid and the mystery to be solveable. Battler can't run from that to try to make it easier on her, that's not her game.
From the SA Chiru thread: Spoiler I mean, I could definitely appreciate Virgilia clearly shipping it For The Aesthetic while Ronove was just like "I'll have my pound of meat yet".
Errant Umineko thought: Spoiler Lion/Sayo/Yoshiya: *has the last name Yasuda* Every asshole in their childhood: *calls them Yasu derisively* Lion/Sayo/Yoshiya: I hate being called that Fandom: the logical thing here is to keep calling this character Yasu
Hell, even Spoiler Clair, even though she's mostly a narrative framing device would be a better name to use.
Spoiler: Ghost Trick spoilers During the end credits.... When Sissel jumps from the painting into the photograph.... Y'all I'm feeling things
Hmm. I'm very tempted to start my own pan-continuity TF server. (Apparently many more people than I thought are in the market for Just Somewhere They Can Talk About Some Damn Robots)
Ever see a character and go "BOY I can't wait to know exactly how right I am about the kind of wank you're gonna cause"?
The fact that I'm talking about a Cookie Run character just makes it all the more better. Why do cookie fandom have wank in it?
TF Discord Server is go. Now to figure out how to advertise it without attracting the attention of anyone who thinks not wanting to deal with wank that strikes at my OCD means I'm a secretly a predator. (Server's 18+)
Just saw a post on Tumblr about fannish engagement and the "Yes, and" rule that suggested in not so many words that if a premise of a scenario someone is suggesting puts you off, you can highlight your concerns by going "yes, and" and then suggesting some consequence for the premise. And yeah, you can do that, and that's definitely a way to spin a prompt into being something more pleasant, but the framing of it as "if you have problems, drag them into the forefront and make the original prompt about them" just makes me think that anyone following that advice is gonna use it as an excuse to "yes, and" any AU they see back into being canon compliant and then be there like ":) I'm very good at this! Look how much I fixed the fandom!" Like... no. I make my wacky AUs for the purpose of probing the edges where what we know ends, and being narratively shepherded back into the fold of canon is condescending and makes me more reliably feel bad about the things I'm making than someone telling me my ideas are bad and I should eat shit. If you're gonna "yes, and" a prompt you see, doing it in the way that halts the original creative momentum by diverting it somewhere where the OP might have no interest in is just as much shouting them down, you're just pretending to be nice about it.
...Is the appropriate response not just ignoring the prompt and letting someone else get it??? If it's specifically you and the other person engaging together you could just... Use your words... Tell them you're uncomfortable... Instead of this bizarre passive aggressive "look I'm following the rules here!" behavior
The point of the post was to be "advice on how to make friends" i.e. establish a form of "safe" engagement and overall I thought the advice it contained was very good. It was just not phrased in an asshole-proof way, and considering the people who most need advice like that tend to default to the extremely hostile declarative fannish behaviour that "yes, and" is trying to counter, I felt it needed to go further. I ended up reblogging it with a comment about how, if you're aiming to make friends, having respect for the intent of the prompt is p much mandatory, and leaving some other tips on how to engage with something if you're not really feeling it at first.
I suppose I must be antisocial, because I would just go "hmm maybe we won't be compatible friends" and go look for someone else lol That makes sense tho
I would have been far more immediately aboard if I believed that talking to people immediately leads to listening to them better but that is not a statement I can co-sign after having been on the internet for the past ten years. Learning to have a conversation takes distinctly different skills than learning to talk good.
I spent about an hour trying to find Siege content but the tags on Tumblr are primarily memes, liveblogging, or the weird aggressive posturing most of fandom content that isn't art seems to consist of these days and I don't know how to use Twitter *sigh* :(