Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by cantankerousAquarius, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. cantankerousAquarius

    cantankerousAquarius Acrasial Macrology

    I remember the serial killer still at large thing! None of the rest of that what the fuck
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  2. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    the fuck

    Okay, thought that had to be sarcasm at first, but nope! Actually happened!!!!

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    now I'm angry. Jesus fucking christ. I have friends and professors who *actually* survived that shooting and actually had to live through the aftermath, I had a dormmate who showed us her actual scars, and some of my family's friends actually lost a daughter. What the fuck, who does this.

    And! I just realized! Based on timing!!!!! Because this could not get any less classy. This happened less than a week after I went off at Athol/Greallan for school shooter apologia, referencing the Virginia Tech massacre.


    Now I'm legitimately angry at her.
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  3. Re Allyssa

    Re Allyssa Sylph of Heart

    unfortunately, looking at the timing of when the other things came up, i would not be surprised that one inspired the other in some way =/
    maybe not consciously (tho at this point i'm not so sure) but yeah...
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  4. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    At this point, given everything else, I would take a lot of convincing to believe she wasn't shamelessly riffing on what I said :p

    Here's my post in tchgb where I went into actual serious detail about virginia tech, and my post included this line:
    And five days later, she's talking in a separate location and a separate conversation about how she was totally shot at Virginia Tech, even though she'd been following closely along with the Athol shenanigans and commenting on it, and not saying a word in those conversations about how she was involved with the VT shooting.

    I'm not traumatized by the shooting, even though I know loads of people were, even some of the ones who arrived after it, like me. If I was, I'm sure I'd be deeply, deeply hurt right now. Fortunately, I'm not. I'm just absolutely furious on behalf of everyone I love who has actually dealt with this trauma.
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  5. 3strim

    3strim Professional Accidental Rater

    Spock you should know by now, I never come to these threads with sarcasm alone.

    Witnessed though, and full caps for anyone wanting the entire thing:
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  6. TheOwlet

    TheOwlet A feathered pillow filled with salt and science

    What the absolute triple distilled FUCK
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  7. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    All of this completely missed me, but I want to point out that there's also someone here who's related to someone who was murdered by a serial killer.

    Edit: what are words
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  8. Maya

    Maya smug_anime_girl.jpg

    So, my money is on that she just completely rips these ideas from the forum itself to spin them into her own sob stories.
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  9. TheMockingCrows

    TheMockingCrows Resident Bisexual Lich

    :chinhands: jove and my ex should go bowling, I think they'd adore eachother's company.
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  10. Acey

    Acey hand extended, waiting for a shake

    Yeah, that seems...depressingly likely to me. :/

    Does anyone know when she started claiming all this shit, btw? The big involved lies, specifically—I don’t know when she began saying she had cancer, and while I remember her telling me about the band early on I can’t recall the exact timeframe. (That one seemed to start out plausible—being in a band isn’t outside the realm of believability—but then there’s the fact that she didn’t actually record any of “her” songs...)
  11. Re Allyssa

    Re Allyssa Sylph of Heart

    jegus. she contradicts herself right there, saying it's still an open case and then saying "the woman that [...]"
    fuck man
    i really feel stupid for not noticing now

    edit: like yeah, there's cases where its like "we're certain that you did it but we can't get the proof" or whatever, but still...
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  12. 3strim

    3strim Professional Accidental Rater

    I also agree with Maya, but part of the issue with all of this is that it's incredibly hard to sort out truth from fiction for that very reason. For instance, let's take a milder claim, ie that her mother tongues are Gaelic and Cherokee.

    Not... impossible, but highly unlikely considering the number of Gaelic speakers... in general, not to talk about the US in particular. Same for Cherokee (Especially combined with her statement that she only connected to the culture much, much, much later in life.). But who am I to doubt her genealogy?
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  13. cantankerousAquarius

    cantankerousAquarius Acrasial Macrology

    Whenever the ""family separation"" shit first started breaking she soon after began fostering a little El Salvadoran girl. That was summer 2018.

    EDIT: I'd have to double check time stamps but iirc she dragged that out w intermittent updates over weeks at least and maybe months
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  14. Ipuntya

    Ipuntya return of eggplant

    it definitely seems as if she wasn't lying in the beginning, though. at the beginning of her vent thread in 2016, she admits to being jobless and dependent on her wife as a source of income
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  15. cantankerousAquarius

    cantankerousAquarius Acrasial Macrology

    I'm still impressed by the density of her lies. Like, she didn't just lie abt being injured in two separate well known mass shootings, those lies were just lead in for a story abt being kidnapped by a serial killer years ago

    And iirc later in the convo she lampshades how unbelievable it all is? She compared her life to a bad soap opera. That's a good touch.

    EDIT: also how she starts it as a gripe abt a reporter and transitions into the main bullshit I think masks it
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  16. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    I can't speak for Discord, but I searched for Jove's posts with the word "band" and the earliest mention on Kintsugi is this in the Aggretsuko thread:
    May 18, 2018.
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  17. cantankerousAquarius

    cantankerousAquarius Acrasial Macrology

    14 months
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  18. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    I’ve been here a hot second, like exactly long enough to have a personal opinion before this came to light. I agree with this, with one addition: 3) does it actually matter to me personally?

    If someone tells me they did a cool thing, or had a bad day, or something wild happened to them, generally it isn’t worth the effort to doubt them, because it doesn’t actually matter that much to me in my life whether it’s true. It’s far more thankless work to try to spot lies all the time than it is to sometimes congratulate the wrong person for an accomplishment, or occasionally say an unnecessary prayer for someone whose actual problems aren’t what I thought.

    At this point I think the vast majority of people would say that it does matter to them specifically, and I certainly wouldn’t try to argue.

    Does it matter to me, just myself for my own reasons? No, not really. The stuff I like about Jove hasn’t changed at all. I don’t think I would have noticed anytime soon because I wouldn’t be spending much time examining things I don’t have reason to think are particularly relevant to myself or my feelings one way or another.

    The best way I can describe reacting to things that were, in retrospect, probably big lies, is you know in the Sims when your sim has a bad interaction? Maybe they weren’t really on the same page as the other sim, or they brought up a topic the other sim hates, or you really don’t know. You just see a red minus sign appear over the other sim’s head and know you should probably get your sim to back off. You never expect an explanation, nor do you probably think you need one, or believe there even is one more meaningful than “an algorithm happened in the box over yonder”. It mildly negatively affects the relationship, but just barely. That’s all there ever is to it.

    It felt like having a red minus sign over my head. Just a bare “nah.” I didn’t think anything more of it. I never thought it needed an explanation. It didn’t significantly affect my overall attitude. It did slightly put me off, and as soon as I began to hear hints of all of this, I almost immediately began to wonder about some things. I felt uncharitable for wondering, and my reaction to wondering was “nah? except... can it just be nah?” Then I waited for more information.

    How did no one notice sooner? My guess is that Jove is very good at this, and honestly that’s enough. Thinking you can’t be fooled by anyone is just hubris, and probably more dangerous the harder you believe it, because what will you be willing to bet when you happen to meet the person who can fool you?

    But also it happened over a very long span of time with no one really getting the full picture. Also House is right, everybody lies, or at least you expect that most people aren’t being completely truthful all of the time and that’s usually okay. And I think it’s also important that as far as I saw, the lies were entirely about directing the flow of conversation and creating a personal image, two things that are totally normal parts of conversation anyway. Being asked to believe in a false impression of someone is not inherently all that much more work than believing a true one.

    Believing in the false terminal cancer of someone you know is actually a lot more work than believing that there’s no reason to contemplate their mortality right this second. So that happened.

    It’s not that the other lies couldn’t matter. Theft of creative works, for instance, does have an effect. That kind of lie depends on the effect, on the artist and, to a lesser but still meaningful extent, on the fans, being sufficiently removed from the audience of the lie. That didn’t end up being the case here.
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  19. Ipuntya

    Ipuntya return of eggplant

    apparently jove has claimed to alix that she is a licensed mental health professional

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  20. TheOwlet

    TheOwlet A feathered pillow filled with salt and science

    I need that wtf rating please
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