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Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by Wiwaxia, Apr 12, 2015.

  1. TheMockingCrows

    TheMockingCrows Resident Bisexual Lich

    :slides this in before going to convention: promise to bring back pics of the timetable wheelchair wheels, they turned out Rad.
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  2. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Y'know, I never liked the interpretation of "STOP PLAYING GAMES FOR GIRLS" meaning that female trolls were supposed to be more aggressive. Tavros is socially punished for NOT being aggressive in every single other circumstance, and Terezi and Vriska are killers and Nepeta's a hunter but the other girls are pretty mellow, and Equius is basically a sack of anger and stereotypical masculinity and Karkat's trying to be aggressive but how good he is at it is debatable, and Alternian society demonstrates that EVERY troll is expected to be aggressive. It doesn't even fit with it being written from a male human point of view, because both violence and LARPing are stereotypically male pursuits here. Personally, I think a) Karkat thinks he shouldn't be associating with the specific girls he's associating with and/or b) they're expected to aggress in a different way.
     
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  3. context-free anon

    context-free anon Well-Known Member

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    seriously though i kinda wish they had used hiveswap as an opportunity to retcon trolls into not having gender at all, because apart from that one episode of star trek agender species don't seem to be something anyone ever writes about.
     
  4. TheMockingCrows

    TheMockingCrows Resident Bisexual Lich

    @Acey as promised, pic that shows the wheels! (and my housemate dressed as john lmfao). Tomorrow is the day with the Homestuck photoshoot so there'll be more of us, but we ran into a few daves, a Hell of a lot of Johns (I've never seen more John's than Dave's at a con before, and most of them were godtiers) some Jade's, a v sweet Rose, a karkat, a ghostly Aradia who was very bored with my housemate's attempt at ghostbusting. I'll wind up posting a link to the relevant hamsnack pics after con is over, promise.
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  5. chaoticArbiter

    chaoticArbiter literally Eevee

    I always interpreted it as "trolls have some interests which are more 'gendered' interests than others and maybe Karkat puts more stock in that than other trolls possibly because he cares way too much about societal expectations because of his blood color, and LARPing is not a 'girl' interest because it's violent but just because, in the same way dolls are considered girl interests on Earth for kinda dumb historical and gender role reasons, it's a historical thing or something like that that girls have commonly been LARP players, but tbh it doesn't actually really matter all that much and was most likely just a throwaway comment from Karkat maybe because he didn't want to deal with Tavros at that point and didn't really care and maybe also buys into societal bullshit more than the others, and also while leg breaking or whatever might be concerning to US, this is Alternia and it might be that sometimes trolls just respond to that with 'well you shouldn't have been a dumb idiot then', and maybe LARPing is viewed as a more 'girl' interest because it's silly fantasy or something I don't really know but I honestly do not think it's 'girl trolls are expected to be more violent' although I do headcanon that it's a more 'girl' interest than others, but that the Alternia we see in Karkat's time and all doesn't actually put a whole lot of stock in that anymore, if they ever did to BEGIN with, and Karkat is maybe just more inclined to care than others because he's a little obsessed with toeing societal lines for....obvious reasons"
     
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  6. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Question; what are the gaps in lifespan between each caste? Does it increase by a certain amount? Double? Was it ever said?
     
  7. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    Word of Hussie, archived here:
    someone mathed it out here using word of god and references in canon; i think it’s notable that, assuming this is accurate, limebloods would have a human-length lifespan, which fits with karkat as the most humanlike troll.
     
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  8. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    But he just says right there that he's not declaring it canon, just thinking it out. There's still no solid answer one way or another. And even there he just says "bare minimum" or "reasonable lower bound", not even "average."
     
  9. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

  10. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    sooo i think mathing it out and treating Hussie's clearly not meant to be hard and fast canon answer there as indisuptable hard numbers is approaching things from the wrong direction?
     
  11. Saro

    Saro Where is wizard hut

    What's the right direction?
     
  12. chaoticArbiter

    chaoticArbiter literally Eevee

    not sure the original post was intended as 'hard guidelines', just general direction
    linking a post involving math doesn't mean we have to take those as hard canon or anything, it's just useful to have a link where a person's already done some math, imo
    and they did use ranges, so it's not like it's being treated like a hard canon thing even there, and they put '30' as the minimum for burgundy on that post

    that said there is a thing I wonder about, which is: the Condesce, from what I remember, canonically extended her life beyond what normal fuschias live to, I think
    so I'm sort of curious what a 'normal' fuschia upper bound would be
     
  13. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    yeah, i didn’t say it was 100% sure that it was accurate, just that if it was i thought it was neat.

    i like numbers, i thought the numbers were cool, i linked them. i’m not telling anyone how they’re allowed to participate or interact with canon; if you like them, use them, if you don’t like them, don’t
     
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  14. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    hm yeah, i think i was reading too much into your answer. sorry!
     
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  15. Loosely related to the caste based lifespans- Mindfang wound up romancing the summoner, who not only wasn’t born when she learned that she would eventually romance him, but also belongs to a lower blood caste with a shorter lifespan. Ultimate Cougar?
     
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  16. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

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  17. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Going by Xefros' comments, it seems trolls don't actually like eating bugs. What's up with that?
     
  18. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    bugs are (on earth, at least, and i can’t imagine why it’d be different on alternia) a fast-growing source of protein without nearly as many resources required as other meat-based protein sources. i personally don’t headcanon my trolls as hating bugs, but i do think it would make sense if bugs are how the majority of the alternian population gets the protein they need, with red meat and fish especially being reserved for upper castes as a delicacy/luxury food. probably by having the cost raised so high most lowbloods couldn’t afford it except as a treat, since karkat did have chilled roe cubes for his lusus
     
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  19. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Xefros at least seems to hate it; he's afraid to ask what's in grubloaf, and he drinks Grub Juice constantly but he says it tastes awful.

    I'd assume lusus food is somehow even worse than troll food.
     
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  20. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    yeah, for sure! i think your headcanon is reasonable, it’s just not mine ‘cause i’m attached to the earth c gang watching trolls eat bugs and being horrified
     
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