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interesting perspective on the epilogues thread (talks about all of it keep that in mind) (on twitter)
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people who are annoyed that the epilogue wasn't super fluffy candy where everyone lives happily ever after clearly didn't read the same comic as i did, honestly. when has anything ever been purely, plainly, simply happy in homestuck? and if it was... what would be the point?
side-note; i choose to reserve judgement on Dirk until there's a followup or a confirmation of no followup taking all of this at face value seems... wrong
No one i've seen has been disappointed that it wasn't pure fluff. Mostly they've been upset that characters became fascists out of left field and in general it seems to be a 'aww you cared? you wanted all the pain and difficulty the characters went through to have an end, or a point, or anything? fuck you and your fave is a fascist/transphobic/a pushy sex creep now.'
The idea that the Epilogue was created to spite fans is kind of ridiculous. It's incredibly self-centered, first of all, to somehow think that Hussie would put a year+ of his life plus the time of a score of other writers for no other reason than to piss off the fandom :\ https://homestuckhomestuckhomestuck...any-people-are-coming-away-from-the-epilogues would suggest reading this
i very much doubt the writers intended to write something mean spirited. unfortunately for many people, they did. it's not self centered to go 'wow i really didn't like this', and replying with 'but i wanted you to like it! you must have read it wrong' is pretty useless.
the idea that people dislike the epilogues because they "just don't get it" is a bad take, honestly like, definitely, reading the effort people have gone to explaining the epilogues and why the mean something or matter has gone a long way to softening the blow of how much they hurt for me, and i'm more or less of the opinion that, yeah, the "point" the epilogues were trying to get across was pretty good but the fact is, whatever the epilogues were attempting to do, the very first thing they did was what felt like they asked me to hand over my heart, pretty please, and then stomped it. and i get the argument for it, and i see the parallels to real life, and like. okay. but they hurt, and i am not fucking obligated to go "oh but that was actually a good idea, wasn't it"
I never said that there was any "not getting it" Just that acting like anything that happened in the epilogue was some sort of direct fuck you to people who liked the characters is absolutely ridiculous. People change over time! And there's not really any point in life where conflict just Stops Happening because you've overcome the Conflict Demons and you deserve happiness forever and ever or something. and like. if there was no conflict, what would be the point? there's a million fluff fanfics about people being happy and just getting into silly relationships, if that's what you wanted, then there's plenty of it for you to read.
i just said. I don't think it was an intentional fuck you. That doesn't change that it came off as a very fuck-you story to many people Further, have you considered that there are stories and tones between 'uwu silly fluff forever' and 'your fave is a bigoted fascist for no reason, no one even seems to like each other, and everything is at least 50% futile' and that acting as though people who want something in that vast range only want the former is pretty rude and dismissive
I'm upset because my fave Jane became a Trump parallel, when I feel like that wasn't even hinted at in Homestuck proper, unlike with Dirk becoming a metanarrative sociopath. Certain characters got out better than others in terms of changes and respectability. Karkat and Dave remain pretty unchanged from Homestuck proper. It feels unfair that chatacters that I like get to be sacrificed to be the Condecse but serious, while more popular ones get to be themselves and morally superior.
... Personally, I’m exhausted and hurting after reading the whole thing, and on some level kinda wish I hadn’t, but at the same time, the sheer volume of This Feels Wrong paradoxically kinda gives me hope? ... Also, I think Hussie’s prose is a pretty less-is-more substance, and a whole novel-length story in it gets seriously grating after the first few paragraphs. Like goddamn, dude does not let off the gas. Anyway, ow, but it’s kinda just... more of the same “ow” I’ve been feeling since Thank You For Playing? Didn’t feel right then, continues to not feel right now, think I’ll go back to ignoring both the canon and canonically non-canon endings and imagine them being all alive and more or less OK in a world that exists on its own terms and isn’t, like, candy-colored, inexplicably manic and constantly, deeply unnerving.... holy crap the universe where the epilogue is taking place is in Trickster Mode.
I liked the epilogue a lot and while I'm not surprised it went in the direction it did, I think it's incredibly silly to rag on people (especially grown adults, c'mon) for not liking it. It's entirely reasonable to have had hope that Homestuck would have gone in more positive, hopeful direction that it ultimately went - there's plenty of potential in the story to have gone that direction and still been Homestuck. (There's an AU I need to catch back up on that splits off from Game Over that does exactly that; it was very, very good, and I'm sure it still is.) I liked the trans stuff, even though I felt the reveal was a little over-earnest and clumsy... Spoiler: More on that Dirk having a fit over it was entirely in character for a neurotic control freak who can't handle ambiguity - I noticed it bothers him a lot already that he can't read Roxy, and Roxy making strong personal discoveries that Dirk hasn't figured out in advance upsets him. He simmered down considerably when Terezi scolded him about pronouns and he learned that Roxy started using 'he'. His behavior was transphobic, but the granular detail of it was less 'ew trans people are icky' and way more 'you aren't what I thought you were and I can't do anything about it and it's something that unsettles my extremely binary view of the universe and I can't deal with that'. I also liked Candy!Roxy, even though it was uncomfortable to read their explanation of their gender stuff at first. They lived a very different life that went different places and made decisions based on that. I know for myself sometimes I wish I'd had the opportunity to transition much, much younger, but I wouldn't trade my life now for having that, because I like where my life is now.
nah dirk is a gay man, he sees roxy as basically role playing as a boy and will never be a real one imo gay men are like, very personally offended by someone trying to intrude upon their sacred gender
Yeah, pretty much everyone I've ever talked to before the epilogue dropped didn't want pointless fluff. They did want a happy end, but one that was worked for and earned. I'm gonna copy paste some shit from Drone Season chat: Whether or not the message was intentional, that's the message that was received by a lot of people. And if a huge chunk of your audience got a completely unintentional message, well. You should maybe think about looking into why that is.
