Yup, he definitely had more of an emotional arc than Steve or Tony. Spoiler: under the cut because I am being a downer I think that may be a small part of what frustrates me. Don't get me wrong, I like T'Challa, he's interesting and I definitely will go see his movie once it's out. It's just that... I like Cap a lot. I'm very bad at picking favourites, but he has a non-trivial chance of being my favourite MCU main character. Marvel's movies are planned up to 2019, so even if there is going to be Cap4 movie (which I don't really hope for), it's going to be very far in the future. So I excpeted Cap3 to kind of conclude his trilogy and him to be the main character, but instead his story was kind of woven between Tony taking the spotlight (because Tony) and introducing the new guys. Steve didn't really have enough emotional conflict to my taste. Like, nobody excpected him to give Bucky up. After he had heard Peggy's quote about not compromising, nobody expected him to have second thoughts about signing the Accords. Steve Steve'd and somehow it was not quite enough for me. It was not strictly a Cap movie, it was Avengers movie and I am frustrated that I was given wrong expectations by the title. More thoughts: Tony recruiting Spider-Man was kinda skeevy. Spider-Man himself was a delight and I am glad that he was in this movie, but when I first saw the scene I thought 'stop superhero-grooming this boy, he looks so young that UN doesn't allow him in combat yet'. Which is probably wrong, I assume he's at least 15, but like... Tony. Tony pls. Steve and Sharon kissing was a little sigh-worthy, because, uh, Peggy had just died, it was a bit weird. I'd think that she would still be in both their minds and make this rather awkward. But this may also be a me problem, I tend to enjoy paleshipping Steve a lot more than I enjoy redshipping him. On that note: the scene where Tony offered Steve those historical pens felt like the world's most awkward kismessitude solicitation. I was delighted. Vision/Wanda was also adorkable, mostly because Vision was 105% flustered all the time. I am very weak against the extremely-cerebral-and-so-awkward type. I find it delightfully awful that Winter Soldier's activation words included "vozvrashcheniye na rodinu". It was translated as "homecoming", I think, but the direct translation is "the return to homeland". Combined with how Zemo said that he wanted to talk about Bucky's home it really drives home (heh) that Winter Soldier's home country is a frozen Siberian wasteland. Somehow, it's amazing yet awful.
YES. I came out of the movie shipping that OT3 so hard. I'm all about emotionally supportive boyfriends being cute
Thoughts in no particular order: This movie so made up for AoU, Marvel, you are officially forgiven (until Doctor Strange, sigh) The goddamn fight choreography, I was swooning repeatedly it was lovely I already shipped Steve/Sam/Bucky but the Sam/Bucky dynamic in this movie was especially fantastic, ahh I missed this Tony. Tony with trauma, and emotional reactions other than anger, and a deep love for his friends, and so much guilt, and ahh Whedon why did you take this Tony away from me T'Challa is too good for this world. He and Wanda got similar defining lines, I think, her with "I can't control their fear, but I can control mine" and him with "it's time to stop letting vengeance consume me" and gosh am I ever excited for his solo movie Finally, new Peter is best Peter I want more of him
Honestly? I've been consistently sorta grr at marvel for making the cuts too quick on battle scenes for a while. I really can't tell what's going on during some of the battles, I get that quick cuts increase tension, but only so far as I can tell what's going on. The choreography itself was p gr8 tho!
Like, I first fell in love with Tony Stark as a character from his conversation with Pepper in The Avengers, but the thing that kept him around was him having a nonverbal anxiety attack in Iron Man 3. Tony is mentally ill! He's traumatized and hasn't learned coping mechanisms much yet and he cares so much about the people he's adopted as family and I needed to see that side of him again.
I am going to see this a third time! Stucky is my OTP, and OT3 is WinterShieldFalcon. I am a direct product of real life UN shenanigans. I vote with TeamCap politically. Iron Man/Tony Stark is so dangerously wrong if he is following real life UN procedures. Otherwise I'm TeamBucky and will follow T'Challa to hell and back.
I have an idea for a Bucky/Steve/Sam fic in which I ignore the ending of CW and the three of them are living in an apartment and Bucky is just like, really, really not dealing well with not being in constant imminent danger and is all jumpy and stuff and it's just Sam and Steve cuddling him a lot??? Also I read some fics by the same author in which Bucky would have non-verbal episodes, so the three of them all learnt sign language so they could still communicate and that's my favourite headcanon tbh.
So I am incredibly seriously tired of Sam The Therapist!Counselor!Not Suffering Himself Amazeballz DudeBroTM trope in fandon. Sam was feeling useless/3rd wheel-like, goes out to get coffee at like the asscrack of dawn and gets unceremoniously kidnapped. My version of Steve, frankly is still a dude in 20s, despite chronologically being almost a century old so is rather obtuse, and suddenly realizes Sam's not next to him. It took him an excrutiatingly long time to realize this and also has that unintentional but still widely held belief that Big! Black! Scary! Man! Can definitly take care of himself. Enter Bucky in Winter Soldier mode to beat some sense into his other boyfriend, and they go (finally) to look for Sam. Sharon, Nat, and T'Challa gets in on the action for various reasons most of which involves the majestic realization that Sam Can Talk To/Understand Tiny, Modern Dinosaurs...and yeah. Oh, Hawkeye is there in solidarity with his bird theme Brother from Another Mother. Steve realizes he needs to find some chill, yo, and be more romantic/caring/doting of Sam. Bucky's still in Siberian Winter Soldier mode and is Not Talking to anyone, especially a certain vibranium frisbee weilding Rebel Looking for a Clue. EDIT: forgot to mention that, yes, shoot-first-and-DON'T-ask-questions later Bucky Barnes is aware of his problematic behavior. Attacking Steve is not okay, no matter how upset he is that Steve managed to not remember the 3rd side of their triangle's health and well-being long enough for Nat and Sharon to ring him up with, "Uh, where's Sam going? He's over the...wait a minute...Pacific Ocean?! Now? WTF?" (Wait, how do they know?!) With Bucky echoing the statement, and calling up Steve who's cluelessly blessing DC with bouncing Titties and Frontal Junk of Justice.
My fic is now Sam being Very Tired after work and Bucky being non-verbal and they just end up cuddling on the couch being miserable together and then *waves hands vaguely* things
... So, thinking about the original question, I think the main problem I have with picking a side is that we don't ever get a good idea what's actually in the Accords. I mean, my first instinct is to say that anyone taking a freaking military strike team across international borders for the express purpose of getting into Gunfights With Baddies And Explosions For Great Justice And Also Badass Motorcycle Stunts damn well does need some kind of oversight, but... that's a pretty narrow set of circumstances, and they were talking like it would also be affecting people like Ant-Man and Spiderman, who until the time of the movie hadn't done anything superheroey outside the borders of their own countries, so like at worst they only should've been in trouble with local law enforcement as long as they stayed home... and Ant-Man's old enough to make a grown-up decision about whether he wants to violate international accords but Spiderman's still a minor, would a signature from him even be valid at that age, also, seriously, Tony? You didn't even bother to clear this with his legal guardian, in fact you deliberately hid it from her so you could continue using the threat of outing him to his aunt as coercive leverage! Your ass just lost the right to say anything, ever, about what constitutes responsible superhero behavior. But like, also, OK, since when does the UN make treaties that require the signatures of individual citizens? And what exactly are their criteria for who has to sign? Like, say I wanted to take a walk, accross this here international border, with mah laser eyeballs? Which for the purposes of this example I can't leave behind, as they are attached to my head. How much more shit am I gonna get put through compared to the average citizen trying to cross the border? Am I supposed to sign the treaty before they let me through customs? ... Or was I expected to sign the treaty even before leaving my country of origin, because of my laser eyeballs? What if I don't want anyone to know about my laser eyeballs, because of reasons? Will I get in trouble for not publicly disclosing my laser eyeballs even if I don't intend to cross the border? And like. Clint. Clint doesn't have any superpowers, and he was expected to sign. Why, exactly? If it's because of his history of taking part in strikes carried out by a para-military organization with zero oversight by anyone, then, ok, that's maybe reasonable, though again depending on what's actually in the damn treaty. But we're only getting to that reason by implication, we aren't actually told that's why. What if it is to do with his abilities? His perfectly non-uncannily gained skill at backflipping off buildings while shooting things with a bow and arrow? We don't know it's not, because we don't know what the fuck's in that treaty, so like. Would an Olympic gymnast be expected to sign? A martial arts expert? What about a varsity basketball champion or a martial arts hobbyist? Oh, hey, technological enhancements probably count too, what about someone who has a really cool wristwatch? (Like Tony. Tony has a really cool wristwatch. Tony's wristwatch goes boom. Tony's smuggling weapons into secure government facilities. Way to responsible, Tony.) Or, well, also, what about someone with uncannily-gained but totally useless abilities. What if I got bitten by a radioactive horned toad, and gained the ability to shoot blood out my eyeballs when alarmed while losing the ability to thermoregulate? So, basically, I'm now pretty much disabled except for a really gross party trick. But I'm also the monsterous product of genetic engineering gone mad, I tell you, MAD. Do I have to sign shit? Cause what if someone got hold of my genetically engineered blood or body tissue and used it to science up something actually useful? Which, obviously, would be more supersoldiers, because what else does science do amirite. Don't I then have a responsibility to keep my biological samples from falling into the hands of Evil? Also, what if I want to cross an international border and someone doesn't want my gross disabled ass there? ... On the stuff-coming-from-actual-lawyers front, or at least claiming to, I found a fun article here saying that even if the US signed the accords, going from the single paragraph of the Accords we have available to read, it would never be ratified in the US, because it is unconstitutional. (Argument being that drafting US citizens into a non-US military force violates their civil rights. I guess in a way that drafting them into the army regularly doesn't.)
It bothered me more than I wanted to care about that Ross referred to Thor and Hulk as weapons, as if they are mindless and only there for destructive use. Also saw the movie for the 3rd time and had to leave because I cracked so hard as the music swelled patriotically when Steve took his jacket off in the elevator shaft, and the female gaze camera panned up slow and luxurious along that washboard stomach and widened around his shoulders. I just...I CAN'T. Oh my god, this movie.
Ok so this is just like The Avengers: We're gonna SAVE NEW YORK/THE WORLD Govt.: Nah, we'll nuke it Avengers: WE DID IT Govt.: Oops well good thing they threw our nuke into a space portal Some movies later Govt.: You guys are so unnecessarily destructive, we have to put sanctions on you, because you are the only ones who every cause collateral damage in doing what you think is right. Ever.
http://stuckytogether.tumblr.com/post/144750243316/jjoelswatch-buchananjames-been-thinking-more My feelings on the entire damned thing was said pretty well here.
noooooooo why isnt spiderman andrew garfield... :C >:C >:C >:C >:C >:C this one is completely new >:C edit: im in the middle of civil war right now, and just met spidey well.. this spidey
YES THIS. Ohmigosh. I watched the movie straight out of a fandom week for a small-ish fandom I'm in that has a few former child soldiers in the main cast, and thus both writing and reading a lot of fic around that kind of stuff, so the screeching alarm in my brain of "NO TONY STOP BEING SKEEVY" was actually enough to distract me from all my other feelings for a good section of the movie. Spidey is, according to HuffPost, exactly 15, but that is still super-borderline, especially since Tony literally did not tell him what was going on or let him make his own decision, he just told him what to do and used his reputation and the promise of nice gear to get him to do it. I like Tony, okay, and I feel like a lot of his decisions in the movie were made from a place of trauma. I don't necessarily think he should be forgiven for them automatically because of that but I will defend his potential for a redemption arc. But that particular scene, more than possibly any other, is probably the one I personally will have the most difficulty forgiving him for, because it came off as a thought-out, rational decision to take huge advantage of a vulnerable kid.
