NSFW RP: consent, minors, and other boundaries

Hello again! It's exactly who you think it is*.

As someone who has spent significant time and effort helping to moderate a non-Kintsugi RP site and accompanying server, I want to add that if this website is exposing minors to pornographic content without any sort of age verification (cough cough, "your age can be anything that looks like it's over 13"), exchanging pornographic content with minors, or collaborating on pornographic content with minors... It's not going to look good. It takes one parent snooping through their child's history -- not unlikely, considering the population of children with controlling parents on here -- before the admins and the users can end up in serious hot water. Yes, even if the age of consent is totally 16 where you live. It's trading pornographic material with minors across state lines. It's bad. Don't let this happen.

"Oh, but those silly kids will do it anyway." Don't enable that, though. Even so, there's a definite difference between purchasing and reading a novel that may not be age-appropriate and actively participating in the creation of new and fresh porn with an adult that says it's totally okay and normal and hot.

Also, the RPer-Character disconnect is much less present on Kintsugi than it is elsewhere. I was personally turned off of the Kintsugi RP threads because of the sheer quantity of -sonas, because that's not something I'm personally into. If you are, I don't care, have fun. But admit that in those cases, all self-sonas, especially the kink-sonas, are just as much RPer as they are character. It's in the name.

Alix, I don't think we've ever agreed on a single subject, but there's a first time for everything. Pretending that a fade-to-black is not an excuse to avoid writing sex is just plain disingenuous. We all know what happens after that meaty saxophone solo. Whether "we-all-know-what-happened-but-it-wasn't-explicit" is enough or not, that one's up to the philosophers.

I absolutely agree that Kintsugi should not wait around to see if this happens at some point in the future. I think it's valuable to have this discussion.

*Khan, ASPD Anon, whatever you want to call me. That username is hopelessly outdated, though -- I'm doing much better, getting therapy. Things are being reconsidered by all involved parties. Things are good. That said, I'm not planning on sticking around here. I'd be happy to remove pinging code if asked.

 

My question is that if some people's opinion falls more toward "this is too sexual" why don't they make their own RP with no FTBs allowed? The SPR doesn't allow NSFW on screen. Neither does WT outside of one thread that has yet to be used. All of our legal bases are covered.

I can see why allowing minors themselves to FTB is problematic, as it's bothered me before.

Everything else is a matter of taste and opinion, frankly.

Minors are ALLOWED in the SPR, but they're not actively recruited, and they can read the rules, so they're not jumping in without any warnings. If, even as minors, they are not capable of figuring out whether they can handle FTB content, they shouldn't be on the internet anyway, because holy shit it's the internet.

If somebody wants to make a 100% sex-free RP without all the horndogs that people know are in the SPR I'm sure that a lot of people, both adult and underage, who don't like sexual content would play in it.

I may be in the minority, but I thought that Kintsugi was not a place where content was restricted based on whether other people were "bothered" by it provided appropriate warnings were in place. I'm not sure why I'm obliged to care if people who are not involved in our RP threads are "bothered" by them, particularly if they're bothered by the "possibility" that someone might wander past all the warnings that already exist and be surprised.

 

I agree with this, btw. I think the only place I've seen that stuff skirt to happening is the SPR, but I also think that's worth addressing.

 

This conversation isn't about pornographic material, though. There is no pornographic material in an FTB.

 

I think we all do.

This isn't about that though. This is about whether or not it's okay to allow minors to know that people have sex.

 

Yeah. I mean I don't think anyone is arguing that we should be allowed to rp pornographic content where minors rp, we're just trying to figure out where that line is?

 

This conversation is about whether it's okay for adults to participate in collaborative sex-adjacent Internet writings with minors.

 

The thing is though, part of the complaint is about FTBs even between when everyone involved is an actual adult. A minor reading a thread like that is functionally doing the same thing as reading it in a book.

 

No, it's about whether it's okay for two adults to rp sex-adjacent internet writings up to a PG-13 fade-to-black in an internet space where minors also rp. That's what we're coming down to because everyone seems to agree it's not okay to participate in sex-adjacent internet writings with minors.

 

right okay, can we agree that like
playing a FTB with a known minor should maybe be down to the minor initiating at least? I'm willing to agree to that! I'm a bit less firm on if it should be forbidden to play anything remotely implying sexual anything whatsoever with a minor at all ever because... idk if someone is uncomfortable with anything directly involving their character that's obviously not up for discussion, regardless of age, but I also don't wanna like ban minors from potentially playing characters who may have relationships that are implied or whatever, if they so choose?

'No FTBs Where Minors Can See Them' Is hopefully off the table by now but just to reiterate I don't particularly think it's doable to neuter a public RP-Thread to that extend. Content Warnings should be provided obviously, but making the thing gone entirely is pretty much impossible to do without making RPing at all pretty difficult imo.

 

A citation to the controlling law would be really appropriate right about now. Note that pornographic ≠ obscene.

 

a "click if you're 18+" screen and/or banning minors entirely from the 18+ (sub)forums would be a good idea, legality-wise, i think. i'm not sure how it would work, or how effective it would be but khan did raise a good point about how we could get in trouble if someone thought minors could access pornographic material too easily here.

 

Yo.

I'm super uncomfortable with the amount of people popping in here who seem to have the impression we're having a 9-page discussion on if it's okay to smut with minors. What's going on with that?

 

So like, how do you guys think porn sites stay open even though a kid can click 'yes I am 18' without their ID being checked / their hands burning off? Serious fucking question here.

Like, I'm aware you're writing it with someone or whatever but at least when I RP the only time I'm like "YEAH I'MMA BANG THAT PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE" is when it's with my husband.

I'm also mad uncomfortable with this + people popping in from other forums to put their stake into the argument

 

We haven't had a good drama for a while. People miss it.