report confidentiality (split from another thread)

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by spockandawe, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    MOD NOTE: independent post copied and edited to start the thread

    my city now

    Or, more tactfully, I'm inserting this post to stand as OP to decrease distress and give the conversation a slightly, slightly more neutral/less personal home.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2018
  2. Beldaran

    Beldaran 70% abuse and 30% ramen

    How's using the report feature to berate me in secret for clicking the "like" button on a Jewish person defending themself from incoherent anti-Semitism?

    You wouldn't know that the phrase "you should be ashamed of yourself" is triggering as hell, but then I doubt you'd care either.

    I'm out, just like you wanted. Good job hero.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2018
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  3. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Rigs, when you were a mod and I wasn't, you were wiggled from my caring void thread for being a dismissive ass about my sincere emotional distress. I don't really want to go into context or backstory, or whether your post was justified, and I don't care at all about apologies. It would have been really easy for you just to ignore the post, or even ignore my whole thread, but you absolutely had to directly communicate how much you didn't care.

    My main point is that it's really weird to see you wagging your finger so hard over how shameful it is that mods aren't extending infinite patience to a forum user.
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  4. prismaticvoid

    prismaticvoid Too Too Abstract

    Holy shit were you giving Beldaran a hard time for liking my joke post that I made after dealing with months of profound and unending anti-Senitism?
  5. rigorist

    rigorist On the beach

    Folks, take careful note.

    Staff will disclose private communications and information when they are angry or offended. Any time they tell you things are kept confidential and private except for extreme emergencies, they are not being truthful and honest.

    All this has happened before
    All this will happen again.
  6. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    My god, rigs. This has been established. People can talk about their own void threads, mods aren't supposed to disclose from *other people's* void threads. This has come up before, and i got a sanity check that I wasn't doing something inappropriate before I posted that.
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  7. rigorist

    rigorist On the beach

    Contents of reports are not in the void.

    Posts in the wiggler are not in the void.

    Yet here we are discussing posts in both in the open forum.
  8. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    I saw your post in my thread, and it then disappeared from my thread, which is absolutely not a move you would have made, given the circumstances. It's not that complicated.
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  9. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    You sanctimonious tool, things are only bought up here after they're mentioned by the non-mod participants.
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  10. Gyro Zeppeli

    Gyro Zeppeli Pseudo Anti Cult Leader

    Seems like there's definitely valid justification to disclose said information, as far as I'm concerned. I can't imagine finding this something worth caring about.
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  11. turtleDove

    turtleDove Well-Known Member

    That's not what happened, Rigs, and you should damn well know it. The only times people have found out about private communication or info between staff and Greallan is when Greallan has talked about it, with staff only chiming in to clarify things or explain what actually happened, because what Greallan reports is not always directly related to the actual events that took place. Which you would fucking know, if you'd been paying more attention than was required to shitpost about staff fucking up.

    In fact, you seem to prioritize heckling staff over perceived fuck-ups over actually paying attention to context, because Spock's explanation of the thing Greallan was talking about only came after Greallan brought it up.

    If you want to help, then help. If you want to shitpost, go do it in a thread that's meant for that. Don't claim you want to help and then shitpost.
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  12. Gyro Zeppeli

    Gyro Zeppeli Pseudo Anti Cult Leader

    Like, not exactly sure why I should prefer that community-relevant information be kept secret solely because it originated in a private, especially when doing so just lets people repeatedly slander staff with bullshit accusations about what happened in private?
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  13. rigorist

    rigorist On the beach

    There seems to be some misunderstanding here. By disclosed confidential or private communication I meant the disclosure of my report. I was not referring to ant disclosure about Graellan.
  14. rats

    rats 21 Bright Forge Shatters The Void

    from what it seems you used that report to directly belittle a person that report is going behind closed doors, though
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  15. Gyro Zeppeli

    Gyro Zeppeli Pseudo Anti Cult Leader

    If someone's hassling mods over their post liking habits, I'd actually hella like to know. The less stuff that happens in a secret backchannel, the better.
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  16. rats

    rats 21 Bright Forge Shatters The Void

    like, how dare beldaran like a post, shock, horror, definitely worth shaming them about
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  17. Gyro Zeppeli

    Gyro Zeppeli Pseudo Anti Cult Leader

    Like, if someone was sending people in the community threatening letters, I wouldn't want this to be handled quietly out of sight just because it happened in a supposedly private medium.
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  18. turtleDove

    turtleDove Well-Known Member

    Lemme just play the world's tiniest violin for you, that you got called out for using the report function to harass staff. Truly, yours is a deep and unknowable suffering, the likes of which the world has not seen.
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  19. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    I'm thinking to split the confidentiality-of-reports thing out to a separate thread because it's actually a substantive question. I have a number of nice easy heuristics about confidentiality/privacy/etc in this situation, which are in conflict.
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  20. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    initial evaluation: we don't have all that clear or consistent a policy about this.

    in general, i have treated "things which are posted or submitted as posts to the open forums, but which mods decide should be wiggled" as not especially confidential, because if you intended a thing to be publically posted, it seems silly to complain that it's being talked about.

    the identities of reporters, and specifics of reports, are in general moderately-confidential, but it's less obvious how that applies in the case where a report is specifically made against a mod, who will have access to reports; in that case, i don't think there's much of an expectation that the person whose post was reported won't be aware of the report. and honestly, i don't think we've had many if any previous cases where a question about disclosing the identity of a reporter did not involve the person whose post was reported wanting to know, so i've never even *thought* about that.

    we also have an overrarching rule that we tend to have low regard for things which look like "playing silly buggers", such as using subaccounts or alternate accounts to get around no-contact requests; in general, if treating a thing with the usual level of confidentiality would enable abusive behavior, we are likely to say "well, okay, but in this case...". (less so with "things posted in caring void", which gets an additional layer of confidentiality because that's its specific purpose.)

    I am not in a good place to be trying to figure out how to untangle this right now, this is just notes for future consideration if I someday have time.
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