Reporting the mods

Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    okay, thanks


    sorry, did you mean, "what's actually happening?" i am Not Here for your gaslighting bullshit.

    not what's happening, thanks

    ....

    get-a-load-of-this-guy-cam
     
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  2. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    you've BEEN GIVEN pointers on how to say this and are refusing to do so

    at this point, i'm struggling not to believe that it isn't malicious
     
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  3. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    man, and i'm particularly offended by the transphobia in that quote, mother of fuck
     
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  4. shmeed

    shmeed plant me

    you keep asking if spock is a girl. you can very, very easily check this yourself.
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    many binary-pronoun people here designate male or female on their accounts*. you can easily view this by clicking their icon. it's safe to use 'they' for people who don't have it listed, unless they explicitly tell you otherwise.

    *nonbinary pronouns can't be listed on the account this way, as far as i understand
     
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  5. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    I didn't get that long before I had to do the thing. It took that long for it to become easy. I started doing the thing long before that, because the courtesy of letting people tell me which pronoun to use seemed obvious. This is because, as a non-narcissist, I am capable of understanding that things can matter to other people even if they don't matter to me. I just started doing the thing from the first time someone asked me to respect their preferences in which pronoun they preferred, because that is just the basic minimum of human decency.

    No, I'm talking about things like your incoherent statements about being unwilling to say "a trans person" rather than "a trans". It's not much effort to get results that would be generally regarded as acceptable.

    The problem is that the thing that makes you feel "not a person" is literally any criticism at all of your behavior. What's making you feel not a person is you. It's that you're a narcissist and can't feel like a person unless you feel like you matter and no one else does. It has nothing to do with you being "cishet". It has everything to do with you being an abusive asshole.

    Okay, so, in this paragraph, you got Alix exactly wrong (she's a girl), got Spock right, and got Jove wrong. So, what happened is:
    1. For weeks, you've been consistently good about pronouns for people you liked, and bad about them for people you disliked.
    2. Someone pointed out that it would look better if it ever went the other way.
    3. Suddenly you got pronouns wrong for someone you like and right for someone you're mad at.
    4. YAY YOU LOOK BETTER! Wait no that makes it look like you were absolutely doing it on purpose and were inverting it specifically because you were told it would look better.
    You have said too many provably false things about what you or other people have said for people to believe you're being truthful at this point. You're gonna have to do it the long way, where you just stay truthful about everything for a long time, before people will not think you're lying when you do stuff like that.

    I'm just really bad at gender. I don't have one that we can discern, so my brain doesn't retain the category information well.
     
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  6. seebs

    seebs Benevolent Dictator

    unfortunately, the software has a built-in field that can't really do that, but we have an actual profile entry for putting whatever you want, it's just not as automatic.
     
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  7. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Look, I'm sorry that you were hurt by my poor word-choices that put the weight of importance on what seem like wrong things. I don't understand completely why pronouns and making sure to always say "people" when referring to transpeople is important except that you consider it important and I should use up spoons on making it so automatic that I won't screw up.

    But when I tried to express how I didn't have the spoons to spare, I said it wrong. Basic housework is more important in a "put on your own mask first" way. I'll make a lot more progress at a more satisfying pace if I can get things to a point where sobriety is sustainable. Having the kitchen clean enough so that my husband doesn't yell at me or throw things, or that I don't get overwhelmed just by looking at it, that is more important than fixing an ingrained word-habit. That's just the way it is and I'm sorry if you're still going to be upset about it.
     
  8. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Oh, okay. Mine reads female when I don't want it to.
     
  9. Jove

    Jove [ destination defenestration ]

    It’s exactly like Seeb’s said: you’re going to have to be truthful for a real long time and stick to it —which you’ve yet to do— for me to even believe this.

    Did you forget about me giving you resources? Yes? Well let me remind you: I, a trans person, bothered to take time out of my day to help you, and when you fucked up and fucked up bad? You dug your heels in even deeper. Not to mention pronouns are a thing needed to even make the English language work and it is very important period Even people who prefer not to use them still need something because using someone’s name over and over gets really weird. You fucked up. You fucked up real bad. But you couldn’t give me the time of day for the human decency to apologize right away? Let alone apologize to everyone else? Yeah, no, I don’t believe you’re working on it. Time will tell with that one.

    I get that change is hard but I’m not here for you attempting to garner sympathy I don’t have. Fuck off with that. And frankly? I don’t care much for you attempting to manipulate. You’re either going to do the work of treating other human beings with decency or you’re going to stay miserable. Your choice.

    I get that you’re feeling erased, and I understand it’s frustrating. That’s valid. But being in the cishet range has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you don’t like it when it isn’t about you and people won’t budge from it because you decided to be an abuser.

    LMFAO it’s real cute that you think you can make me feel bad for you on this one. Yeah, pronouns can be really hard, I know. I get them wrong sometimes too.

    I’m going to request nicely only the once:

    Please use “she” when you refer to me.

    And apologize to me.
     
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  10. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    I have a spinning compass error on Pal and just gave up. Fanfiction writer = girl. Also, I've been using they for Spock because I thought I was told to just use they for everyone.
     
  11. palindromordnilap

    palindromordnilap Well-Known Member

    Uh, actually I am a girl.
     
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  12. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    I did forget. What happened to being afraid I would screw up being a valid feeling?
     
  13. idiomie

    idiomie I, A Shark Apologist

    this is a really bad apology, holy shit

    if you want me to break down why, i will, but i'm not putting in that effort unless you ask
     
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  14. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Okay, so you're threatening to do X if I don't stop Y. What are you threatening me against?
     
  15. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    Nah.
    Those aren't comparable, especially after you confirmed that you'd be sending me more sexually harassing things, as you have done several times in the wiggler.
     
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  16. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Fanfiction writer=girl is not a reliable metric. Also it's not clear who in this conversation you're referring to with that. Seebs is saying that in this one post, you got gender wrong for Alix and right for me. And I have indeed said multiple times that I am a lady but don't care about pronouns as long as it's not 'he'. 'They' is perfectly acceptable for me.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2018
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  17. Athol Magarac

    Athol Magarac I prefer reading posts without a lot of topics.

    Which is why I don't tend to apologize very easily. I would ask for your help, but it's not worth the effort right now, thank you.
     
  18. Snitchanon

    Snitchanon What's a mod to a nonbeliever.

    Practice more, then, and follow the advice that you have been given.
     
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  19. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    I wasn't threatening anything. I'm saying that while I'm typing on my phone during boarding in an airport, I'm not going to give in to temptation and get distracted collecting quotes and miss my flight. How is this even a threat? What am I demanding you stop?? You can't actually call this a threat when YOU can't even define what I'm trying to make you stop.

    I don't actually demand anything except that you stop lying, and even then, I've said multiple times that you can say whatever you want about me, I just refuse to sit back and let the lies stand.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2018
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  20. Kathy

    Kathy Well-Known Member

    @Athol Magarac here's an excellent time to practice apologizing. Apologize for doing that thing and promise to not do it again. Then don't do that thing.
     
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