Discussion in 'That's So Meta!' started by Athol Magarac, Oct 24, 2018.
I have been mean when I could have been a little nicer. Could I have the same consideration?
But that would mean she’s ignoring all available facts, evidence and an entire second opinion given by your good self!
(I’m being sarcastic, apologies. I’m very bored with this, and my sunny bedside demeanour is suffering.)
“Been mean” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Athol you haven't seen the vast majority of us being mean. I have been like, painstakingly nice to you, up until you started sexually harassing people. I can forgive a lot, hell, I'm still engaging with you outside of this thread to offer you advice about a thing you're distressed about in the writing thread.
And I'm just gonna remind you: You have committed actual crimes. You haven't "just been a little mean", you have suicide baited, you have harassed, you have sexually harassed, you have expressed intent to cause others harm to the degree they harm themselves and your reasons super don't matter.
In contrast, some people have been mildly terse with you.
Stop minimizing it. Face up to what you have done and own it and commit to doing better. Get help.
Also as a note and reminder: Disengage from the conversation until after the holidays if you are concerned about this throwing a shadow over your christmas. You have the power to do that thing, but so long as you continue to participate and make new posts there are gonna be responses to your words because we are all unique individuals with our own lives and responses. If you want to to exercise control over this conversation, make it self-control.
Maybe request a temp ban from this part of the forum even!
But what you SHOULDN'T do is escalate.
Yeah, Kathy put it better than I did.
Look at how short our mod skirts are! We probably deserved it for *looks at smudged writing on hand* being kinda terse with Athol?
And in terms of being ‘mean’, I’ll say it again. You have not seen me be mean. You have not seen any emotion from me besides ‘bored annoyance’.
I know at least one clinically diagnosed psychopath who is nicer to people they're mad at than you are to anyone I've seen you interact with.
You haven't just been mean. You've been abusive, constantly, to a large number of people who had shown you nothing but kindness.
I say again: It matters whether things are true.
The characterization of her actions as "being mean" when she "could have been a little nicer" are why I'm just gonna start chanting get help.
'Cause man Athol, this is genuinely terrifying. You genuinely terrify me with how you interact with other people and how you describe those interactions. You latch on to people seemingly at random to either demonize or exalt, and once someone has been assigned as Bad for whatever reason you seem to decide that anything you want to do to them is justified because it made you feel Bad, whereas anything they do other than things which Don't Irritate You - things by the way that you cannot even actually articulate - is assigned as far worse than anything you do to them.
Your degree of false equivalency is fucking terrifying. That's not an ableism thing, that's a "I'm genuinely worried that you are a danger to yourself or others because you display a staggering degree of entitlement combined with viciously abusive actions", and you have demonstrated that you are the former and you keep trying to be the latter.
You need to get HELP. Serious help. Professional help. Get sober. Get therapy.
Actually, thought about it a bit more, and maybe I do have it backwards. Maybe I'm the only human and the rest of you are something different. People keep telling me that having meltdowns and being triggered and hurting myself are my conscious choices, but for everyone else, it's something that can be done to them and is outside of their control. Maybe other people can't change and so they're held to low standards, but I'm different because I have the potential to not be like everyone else, so I'm pushed to different standards.
Galaxy-brain level hot take here.
This is not what anyone has said. At all.
You are held to the exact same standards as everyone else here.
Here's the thing. If I have a meltdown because I have deliberately sought out and engaged with triggering material?
That's on me.
That's a thing I did to myself. I have to live with the consequences of what I have done while in a meltdown state.
You were asked to do a single thing. Stop lying about Spock. In exchange, Spock would stop talking to you. You refused to do that thing, aware that Spock was not willing to let your lies slide. If you find Spock talking to you triggering, stop lying about Spock. The triggering input will go away. You do have control over this situation. You can fact check your own words and the chronology. You can stop lying. But you don't, and thus, Spock will continue to address your lies.
If you hurt yourself because you are triggered by a situation that you keep creating...that's on you. It's just on you.
If I trigger myself and harm myself? That's on me. It's awful that I have triggered and harmed myself, but maybe I can learn from it to...not do the thing that leads to me being triggered, by taking responsibility for my own damn emotional state and actions.
If I know I will be triggered by reading youtube comments, I adblock the comment section on youtube. If I know I will be triggered by reading the responses to a tweet, I close the tab instead.
We are not the caretakers of your safety. We are not the arbiters of your life or death. Take personal responsibility. You aren't a jellyfish adrift in the ocean that just keeps happening to sting people, you're a conscious being who can make choices.
This is a super fucking insulting take that I'm not even going to justify with a response.
Like okay. Okay.
Which is more likely to you, Athol.
A) Everyone here is in a conspiracy to bully you, you have done nothing wrong - or the things you have done wrong are minuscule and you're being unfairly targeted for innocent mistakes - and you have only been factually kinda unpleasant.
B) Everyone who rates agree with everyone else's posts in here or comments expressing shock, upset and sometimes fear, and reiterates that your actions have been abusive is doing so because they each individually looked at what was going on and concluded your actions have been abusive and unacceptable, and that maybe they have a point and you should consider that you are doing abusive and unacceptable things.
I don't think we're using the same definition of suicide-baiting. What are you talking about?
I think "expressed intent" was a misreading. What are you talking about here?
If other people harm themselves over something I did, it's their own damn problem.
wow, i thought you were just a douchebag but i was incorrect.
you are in fact a Grade A, certified with a stamp and placed on a pedestal capital d Dick.
NOW APPLY THIS TO YOURSELF AND STOP TRYING TO BLAME PEOPLE FOR YOUR OWN SELF HARM.
I'll get to the other thing in a second but CONGRATS NOW APPLY THIS TO YOURSELF
It's not that I haven't done anything wrong, it's that things are blown out of proportion and it's snowballed.
I'm called a bigot, but I've been more tolerant than a lot of people here on a number of different subjects.
honestly if your christmas is ruined because we respond accordingly to your abusive behaviour, that's your fault. do better. be better. i'm done being gentle about it, and i'm done with trying to level with you. i don't like implying that other people aren't making steps to improve, you really aren't. you get mad and double down the second there's a hint of disagreement.
you compare us trying to understand and help you (help that you ASKED FOR) to systematic oppression. you've done this repeatedly, without fail, and i am not fucking here for it.
this is fucked up. all of this is fucked up.
get help. stop abusing people online.
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