No. When you decided to self-harm, that was your choice, and it was not anyone else's choice, fault, or responsibility. Attempting to blame them for it has no purpose but to hurt them or control them, and is abusive.
your gotchas suck. the difference here is that she isn't threatening self harm, or holding herself/her "progress" hostage. shes just commenting on things you say about her. and yes, it was your fault, because you wouldn't stop lying about her.
+1 to what chiomi said, also, to be honest, after reading back through all of that i really do not have the spoons to do homework for you anymore athol. I've recommended multiple times that you start keeping a word document with advice pasted into it for easy access. I'm am so sorry chiomi x3 Yes actually, although I'mma say No to the thing you're doing of trying to reverse victim and offender on this. Here's the difference: you were abusing spock, and then trying to hold spock hostage via an unreasonable boundary which would allow you to lie about things you did to her with impunity if she did what you wanted. If you had stopped doing the abusive thing, spock would have gladly stopped talking to and about you. the two things are not equivalent. They are never going to BE equivalent.
I care. I just don't understand half of the time and I don't know what exactly y'all want me to do and if I get something right by accident I get not!yelled at and I can't tell if it's wrong direction or not enough, and also I get not!yelled at harder if I make negative progress. Can I tell y'all when I've gotten put on the lift hill to a meltdown and get y'all to back off somehow? I accept that y'all don't intend to push my buttons, but I feel like y'all don't listen when I say that it's happening.
Basically, I'm tired. I was hoping I'd see compassion for people in the wiggler, reasonable misunderstandings, things that matched up to the kind of thing you'd been saying was happening in there. And I didn't. I just saw post after post after post of frankly horrifying shit. Some directed at me! You need help. You need to go to intense therapy and stick with it. Probably for years. But you need help that nobody here can provide. I believe you can get better, but not like this.
I wasn't lying, and there were cases where I wasn't even thinking about her when writing a post -and I got told to stop lying about her.
you were lying. there's documented, written proof of you doing so, as well as proof of the original events, all of which happened within the last couple months. eta: i am sorry to hear that, but as you've been told before, you aren't exactly clear on who you're talking about when you make most of your posts.
You were though. It's very extensively documented. You might not think you were lying but there are things you said that are just directly untrue all assembled. You not recognizing literal fact is a sign of how deeply you're dealing with cognitive distortions and it goes beyond anything anyone here can help you with. We can't help you with this stuff over the long term, Athol. It wouldn't be healthy for anybody involved.
I think it's a language problem, though. Like, did I miss the explanation about how describing the safe surrender program is horrifying? It's designed to keep newborns alive.
Yes, actually! There is a protocol for this, I've seen people do it before. What you do is, you ping a mod, and you ask to be temporarily banned from a thread. Then later when you feel better you can ask to be unbanned.
get your life together. get sober. read other people's posts. sure! say things like "i feel like i'm going to have a meltdown- can we put this on pause for a bit?", or "i'm not doing so well, i'm going to take a break and respond later. i'm not feeling well." you can take a break whenever you want, whenever you need to. you can ignore the thread, you can step away from the forum, whatever you need to help yourself when youre in meltdown mode, you can do. but you can't control wether or not people respond to these threads, or if the mods get to wiggle further wiggle-able posts.
Wrong, probably. Two-sided communication breakdown, definitely. Mixing up facts and opinions, lots of that on both sides.
nope. and even so, that wouldn't happen if you: read other people's posts were clearer about what you were talking about got sober stopped lying
I have a problem with that. And it's not just the assumption that I'll get mocked for asking. It's giving people the power to mock me while my ability to respond is in the hands of people I don't trust. There's already more of that than I consent to. I prefer thread-locking even if it's on a delay. It keeps things even, which is important for me until I manage to strip my humanity away.
I do have a bit of a non-sequiter and can't remember what this is relevant to... oh, pronoun trouble. If I became serious about wanting my pronouns to be "it"... There are valid reasons why other people would find that troubling. But, would I be in the right to say nasty stuff to anyone who calls me a "they"? I mean, right now, I kinda hate being called a they and being called xie or something is pretty annoying, but on my end the right thing is to tolerate it and decide if I'm annoyed enough to even say anything.
This one is valid. Reading other people's posts... that one is tricky. I do have an ignore button for non-mods. I've described the things that were in my way of getting sober. I'm not lying. You just quoted the part where I explained that.
While I don't know what you're talking about here - I don't think I've caught up to the context yet - it really sounds like what you wanted to post about would be very upsetting. That does not mean it's horrible! But it would be upsetting for people to read, and that's why the original post would be wiggled. Note - I originally wiggled this, but now that I'm looking at it again, I think it's okay. So I'm moving it back. Sorry about that! Edit - putting the quote in to make it more clear
its not tricky. online communication only works when every party is reading what the others say. otherwise, it becomes this bullshit, spread across hundreds of pages of separate derail threads. then take care of those things first. we can't help you in any of that. we've tried to give you advice, we've explained things until we're blue in the face, it's not our job to wear ourselves out or change your life for you. being a better person and taing care of yourself is in your hands. until you are sober, very little of this, especially the heavier parts, is going to make sense. until you are sober and recovered, 1+1 is going to equal 3, because you have significant cognitive distortions. what you see and how you percieve what you have said and done is not representative of reality, however it is valid. this is not a "both sides" issue, as kathy said. you are in the wrong. you have been lying. its documented and easily acessible.